EU leaders meeting on Russian occupation. Carbon taxes!

[patslatt]

When the EU leaders meet on Monday in Brussels to discuss a response to Russia's failure to withdraw from Georgia excluding South Ossetia,should they do nothing except for diplomatic protests? That would show no resolve in the face of Russia's aggression.

[color=#0000FF]In my opinion,the perfect-and conveniently unprovocative-response would be the threat of introducing carbon taxes.[/color] The EU could legitimately claim that this was an overdue measure to curb global warming, but with a side benefit of showing EU displeasure towards the Russian occupation. Russia could hardly consider provocative EU carbon taxes that would affect all carbon based energy consumption from whatever source,unlike possible discriminatory direct quotas or tariffs on oil and gas imports from Russia. Nevertheless,given that the EU depends on Russia for about 25% of its energy,a carbon tax would hit Russia hard in its pocket by reducing EU energy demand which would also tend to reduce global energy prices.

Some EU countries dependent on internationally traded energy intensive industries such as chemicals and steel production (Luxembourg?) should be allowed to apply lower carbon taxes than others.

To prevent global warming,carbon taxes should become EU policy by a certain future date,say in seven years at the most. The degree of taxation and the timing of its introduction would depend on Russia by default. If Russia failed to withdraw from Georgia, the tax would start in a few months. If Russia withdrew after the taxes were introduced, the taxes would be rescinded as soon as feasible.

To offset the dampening effect of carbon taxes on consumer demand in the weak EU economies,permanent offsetting tax cuts should be made in other areas.

This is a joke of course ?
You are aware that "Global warming" (now renamed climate change due to lack of Global warming) is an elaborate
hoax/fraud to bring about "Carbon taxes" for world government. You do know that don't you ?
Read UN and Club of Rome Docs.

“Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer , well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical
nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected, representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”
- Club of Rome. The First Global Revolution
http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html


Even TIME covered this fraud in 1973

The Club of Rome: Act Two - Monday, Oct. 21, 1974

Remember The Limits to Growth? It was the little book that put its sponsor, the Club of Rome, on the futurologists' map just two years ago. Limits properly warned that exponential economic and population growth cannot continue infinitely on a finite planet. But it also predicted that-unless growth was stopped -most of the human race would suffocate in pollution or starve soon after the turn of the century. This forecast stirred international controversy and made the club synonymous with gloom and doom. Then, when critics found glaring faults with the assumptions made by Limits as well as a crucial mathematical error in the computer model on which the predictions were based (TIME, Oct. 15, 1973) the Club of Rome retreated into silence. But not for long.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 20,00.html


Anybody who pushes Carbon Taxes is on the payroll of private banks. There are only so many, gullible usefull idiots(ignorant of real science), in the contrived/sponsored 'green cult'.

Global warming issue aside, policies to reduce oil and gas consumption are urgently needed in order to reduce energy reliance on politically unstable Middle Eastern countries like Iran and Iraq and on potentially hostile enemy countries like Iran and Russia. One advantage of carbon taxes would be to keep energy consumption prices high enough to support the emergence of renewable energies. Solar energy looks especially promising given several technical breakthroughs in the production of cheap,mass produced solar panels plus the fact that most of the world's population lives in sunny climates year round.

[Partizan]

So Milosevic was a misunderstood patriot? Your hero,maybe?

Given that Kosovo is poor,Albanians work in Serbia for economic reasons presumably,feeling comfortable there under the new government. Milosevic may not have wanted to expel Albanians from Serbia but to reduce their population dominance in Kosovo and increase the Serb population there.

As reported in the Western press, Milosevic's Serbia began the ethnic cleansing of Croatians in disputed areas and Croatians fought back in an equally nasty way.

Pat,

1. Milosevic was far from being my hero, in fact he was nothing but a total gangster who shafted everyone from the Titoist generals in June-July 1991, Kraijina Serbs in '95 to the K-Serbs in '99 when he abandoned them to the KLA scumbags. Just because I opposed the bombing of YU in '99 doesnt equate to supporting Milosevic.

2. There was no concerted campaign by the Yugoslav government to evict Kosmet's Albanians. When Albanians began a campaign of boycotting Yugoslav institutions in the early 1990's and began setting up their own, Milosevic simply ignored them. In 1996 the KLA began their campaign of terror against the Serb and Yugoslav populations of Kosmet by targeting policemen, civil servants and even postal workers, many of whom were ethnic Albanians whose only crime was to work to feed their families.

3. Wrong. When the HDZ won the April 1990 elections in Croatia, Tudjman opened the first salvo shots in the war against Serbia by wholesale sackings, rehabilitating members of the Ustase wartime NDH government, the overt use of the Croatian chequered flag and the most important bit, removed the Serbs from the Croatian constitution which in one full swoop abolished any rights they had. Tudjman also made the famous quote "I thank God that my wife is neither a Serb nor Jew". Its no wonder that the Kraijina Serbs and Croatia's remaining Jewish population went screaming to Belgrade for protection. What did yo expect the Croatian Serbs to do? Sit back and wait for the Croatian nationalists to exterminate them again?

[the klingon]

3. Wrong. When the HDZ won the April 1990 elections in Croatia, Tudjman opened the first salvo shots in the war against Serbia by wholesale sackings, rehabilitating members of the Ustase wartime NDH government, the overt use of the Croatian chequered flag and the most important bit, removed the Serbs from the Croatian constitution which in one full swoop abolished any rights they had. Tudjman also made the famous quote "I thank God that my wife is neither a Serb nor Jew". Its no wonder that the Kraijina Serbs and Croatia's remaining Jewish population went screaming to Belgrade for protection. What did yo expect the Croatian Serbs to do? Sit back and wait for the Croatian nationalists to exterminate them again?

Tudjman... another sick puppy.
This certainly did elicit a response from all serbs. They felt (justifiably) they would be subject to some sort of persecution from the Croats, due to the rise of Croat nationalism and the old style Nazi sentiments/emblems. Given that there had been German finance and "assistance" to these separatists group it further adds to the possibilty of the rise of an old enemy against the state of .yu and the serbs in particular. Bear in mind the massive WW2 attrocities, many which are still in the mind of people today in this region and even more so in '91. Also bear in mind the post I made some weeks ago where a Croat, one of the top guys in the running of a WW2 concentration camp was recently buried by a catholic priest... who said he was someone all croats should aspire to.
Now remember, this is the politicians leading people by the nose (on all sides) telling them how it will be better to be apart / together and all their problems are because of THOSE people. Partially the vacuum of Tito, the fact that seperatists and other troublemakers were no longer jailed, the international community no longer wanted a yugoslavia, all these meant yugoslavia was finished. If we had left them alone it's possible the country would have matured without the massive loss of life. In fact it could be a powerhouse in Europe to rival France or Germany.... which could be another reason for it's demise.
The yugslavs knew the writing was on the wall, they also knew the foregn intervention was coming - all of it, before the war even started. One has to wonder how scripted the whole thing was.

[Partizan]

Tudjman... another sick puppy.
This certainly did elicit a response from all serbs. They felt (justifiably) they would be subject to some sort of persecution from the Croats, due to the rise of Croat nationalism and the old style Nazi sentiments/emblems. Given that there had been German finance and "assistance" to these separatists group it further adds to the possibilty of the rise of an old enemy against the state of .yu and the serbs in particular. Bear in mind the massive WW2 attrocities, many which are still in the mind of people today in this region and even more so in '91. Also bear in mind the post I made some weeks ago where a Croat, one of the top guys in the running of a WW2 concentration camp was recently buried by a catholic priest... who said he was someone all croats should aspire to.
Now remember, this is the politicians leading people by the nose (on all sides) telling them how it will be better to be apart / together and all their problems are because of THOSE people. Partially the vacuum of Tito, the fact that seperatists and other troublemakers were no longer jailed, the international community no longer wanted a yugoslavia, all these meant yugoslavia was finished. If we had left them alone it's possible the country would have matured without the massive loss of life. In fact it could be a powerhouse in Europe to rival France or Germany.... which could be another reason for it's demise.
The yugslavs knew the writing was on the wall, they also knew the foregn intervention was coming - all of it, before the war even started. One has to wonder how scripted the whole thing was.

Tito's old generals (Kadijevic, Kolsak, Adzic, Brovat et al) could see what was coming around the corner and tried their damndest to hold the country together and prepare for the inevitable. With the collapse of the LCY in early 1990, that left the JNA as the only Yugoslav institution holding together the tottering federation. Bereft of a strong leader (Tito) and its ideological base (LCY) YU was in a seriously vunerable state which forced the JNA generals to turn towards the centralisers and et voila, Milosevic. The generals had begun reforming both the JNA (doctrine, defence plans, command structure) and the republican TO's which created much resentment in Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia as this placed the TO under direct central control of the JNA High Command in Belgrade.

In March 1991 when serious street disturbances broke out in Belgrade and with Slovenia and Croatia importing arms from Austria & Hungary, began pulling away from Belgrade's control, the generals sought YU President Borisav Jovic's permission to impose martial law and proscribe the parliaments in Ljubjana, Zagreb and Sarajevo, Jovic shot it down thus delaying the civil war by 3 months. Germany and Austria sensing YU's weakness began to officially support the Slovene and Croat seperatists. By the time war broke out in June 1991 in Slovenia and Croatia, YU was politically isolated as being the only socialist state left in Central Europe while the JNA was totally unprepared being in the middle of its much needed military reforms thus sealing YU's fate no matter what the JNA or Milosevic did.

[Thac0man]

Partizan, it is arguable that Serb domination of Yugoslavia is what provoked the dissolution of that artificial state. In your version of events the JNA would not have been arming Serb seperatists and working with them very closely for the very start of the war( in Croatia at least).

Borisav Jovic did not avoid war, he helped establish the BSA (Bosnian Serb Army), offered to pay and arm it aswell as proposing the dismemberment of Croatia along ethnic lines. Yugoslavia was dead as a multiethnic socialist state from the minute those decisions were made.

What possible reason could there have been for such close co-operation between Ultra nationalist paramilitaries and the JNA unless the ideals of Yugoslavia itself was already debased through Serb domination? Borisav Jovic himself refused to hand over the presidency to a Croat, thereby breaching the Yugoslavian constitution and ending Yugoslavia as a legitimate independant entity. Since Milosovic took office and disposed of his main political rivals in Belgrade, Yugoslavia was a only a nom-de-guerre for Serbian nationalism. Let not weep corcodile tears for socialism, as a national ideal it was betrayed by Jovic and Milosovic early on in this mess.