Irish minister Peter P Says we should send troops to Georgia

[Defeated Romanticist]

The American economy is bankrupt and in terminal decline, they just had their entire last-gasp Caspian Basin strategy neatly wedgied by Russia, the entire balance of political, military and economic power is shifting eastwards, and our moronic politicians are still spouting 1980s-era US propaganda and insisting on tying us to a collapsing Empire.

Yet more FF genius.

You really couldn't get a more moronic bunch of feckin idiots if you tried.

You're running on empty my friend.

[Sidewinder]

You're running on empty my friend.

And yer a fecking moron, but I haven't felt the need to tell you that until now.

Your WingNut theories have been an utter disaster. Enjoy the collapse of your gimpology.

[Aggressor]

Yes, a lot of it is accurate but there are differences. Although the Russians are happy to use the South Ossetians, they were not sent to Georgia by the Russians to keep the locals down. The Mongols were responsible for their banishment. Unlike the British historical view of Ireland as being British with the Irish also being British, the Russians never viewed the Georgians as being Russian. The British position being more genocidal in it's dismissal of the concept of the Irish having a right to look on themselves as a distinct group of people worthy of nationhood.

The Ossetians and the Abkhazians have distinct and ancient cultures that have developed over the millennia, they have never been Russian colonists. However I do accept the Georgian right to national integrity. South Ossetian and Abhkazian self rule within Georgia is the only way forward. Behind all of this it should not be forgotten that the recognition of Kosovo has led to separatists in the Caucuses looking for more self determination or outright independence. Russia warned of this yet many governments, including our own, took the partitionist vewpoint.

There were more Georgians than Abkhaz in Abkhazia until they were ethnically-cleansed by the Russians and the Abkhaz in 1991-2, so that region has no right to be separate from Georgia. Again, self-determination for the Ossets and Abkhaz is not the reason for the Russian intervention in Georgia. If it was then they would grant Chechen independence. They brutally and genocidally exterminated half the Chechen population in the last 10 yrs, and during thr 1994-6 war, and the Irish Left had nothing to say about it. Russia opposes separatists within its borders and supports them outside if it means they have an excuse to maintain a troop-presence there.

You say Tskinvalli I say Grozny. You say South Ossetia I say Chechnya.

The only point I wished to make was that the South Ossetians and the Abkhazians have a right to self determination of some form within some state. As I do the Chechens.

Edit: I left out a very important I.

[politicsisrotten]

You really are a stupid little prat aren't you? I don't normally abuse people

There's a good one.

[thebig C]

4. Russian people have one of the highest standards of living in the world ,your living in the 80's mate snap out of it and bring your foolish thoughts elsewhere.

You really are a stupid little prat aren't you? I don't normally abuse people but I want you to read Ann Politkovskaya and her book on Putin's Russia and you'll see how utterly ridiculous that sentence actually is.

I didn't even bother replying politicsisrottens dillusional answers. I have been to Russia, I have seen the poverty (worse then anything in deepest Eastern Europe) I have seen the lack of social services and the huge wealth enjoyed by the very few.

[thebig C]

Yes, a lot of it is accurate but there are differences. Although the Russians are happy to use the South Ossetians, they were not sent to Georgia by the Russians to keep the locals down. The Mongols were responsible for their banishment. Unlike the British historical view of Ireland as being British with the Irish also being British, the Russians never viewed the Georgians as being Russian. The British position being more genocidal in it's dismissal of the concept of the Irish having a right to look on themselves as a distinct group of people worthy of nationhood.

The Ossetians and the Abkhazians have distinct and ancient cultures that have developed over the millennia, they have never been Russian colonists. However I do accept the Georgian right to national integrity. South Ossetian and Abhkazian self rule within Georgia is the only way forward. Behind all of this it should not be forgotten that the recognition of Kosovo has led to separatists in the Caucuses looking for more self determination or outright independence. Russia warned of this yet many governments, including our own, took the partitionist vewpoint.

There were more Georgians than Abkhaz in Abkhazia until they were ethnically-cleansed by the Russians and the Abkhaz in 1991-2, so that region has no right to be separate from Georgia. Again, self-determination for the Ossets and Abkhaz is not the reason for the Russian intervention in Georgia. If it was then they would grant Chechen independence. They brutally and genocidally exterminated half the Chechen population in the last 10 yrs, and during thr 1994-6 war, and the Irish Left had nothing to say about it. Russia opposes separatists within its borders and supports them outside if it means they have an excuse to maintain a troop-presence there.

You say Tskinvalli I say Grozny. You say South Ossetia I say Chechnya.

The only point I wished to make was that the South Ossetians and the Abkhazians have a right to self determination of some form within some state. As do the Chechens.

There is definate merit in those Atonomous regions being Independent States. However, that is complicated by the fact that all over the Caucus's competing and opposing ethnic groups live cheek-by-jowel.

The point is though, that Russia supports separatists in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.....but not in Chechnia....or Ingushetia, Dagestan, Tartarstan etc!

[the klingon]

I didn't even bother replying politicsisrottens dillusional answers. I have been to Russia, I have seen the poverty (worse then anything in deepest Eastern Europe) I have seen the lack of social services and the huge wealth enjoyed by the very few.

Well TBH, people could argue you are describing Ireland there mate....
We are no strangers to a bit of "wealth separation" and third world healthcare. Moscow is doing pretty well in General but a lot of the outlying regions are really poor, unless you have an Oligarch that has been told to be your patron saint.