Chavez Urges FARC to Call Off The Killing

[FamilyGuy]

ThacOman, you still havent told us what part of the SOAW article about the masacre of innocent villagers was untrue. Why not? Care to tell us what is incorrect in that article?

What parts of the Washington Post article or the Los Angeles Times article was false or incorrect?

And you didnt answer what I asked you way back either when I asked you "what actions would you propose to bring an end to the narco terrorism of Uribe and the Colombian regime/Right Wing Death Squads?" What actions would you propose?

You also have "forgot" to comment on the comments by Senator Gustavo Petro. Is he wrong do you think ThacOmac? Is Uribe right to describe Democratic Pole as "terrorists"? Would you agree with him saying that?

[FamilyGuy]

Thac0man:

Your second one to the "Fellowship of reconsiliation Columbia program" is just more biased horsesh*t and spin.

The second link my friend, if you actually took the time to read it, is actually an article from the LOS ANGELES TIMES. So you consider the Los Angeles Times as biased in favour of who? Biased against who?

Oh and heres some more info for you in relation to the San Jose massacre

http://www.forcolombia.org/monthlyupdat ... 08/#arrest

More than three years after a brutal massacre of two families in the Peace Community of San José de Apartadó, Colombian prosecutors issued arrest warrants for 15 Army soldiers for participating in the killing and for terrorism.

The arrests were based on the chilling testimony of a paramilitary member who participated in the killing. He told prosecutors that he and others had suggested taking the children to a neighbor’s house, but that their commander refused, saying six-year-old Natalia Bolivar and her 18-month-old brother Santiago would become guerrillas. Their father, he said, begged on his knees for them not to kill the children, before he himself was killed and, like the others, his body cut into pieces.

An hour’s hike from there, Luis Eduardo Guerra, his son and girlfriend were also killed – directly by army soldiers, according to a witness.

At the time, high officials – President Uribe, Vice-President Santos and the Defense Minister - said publicly that the army was not responsible, that evidence pointed to the FARC, or accused community leaders of belonging to the FARC.

The arrested soldiers include three lieutenants and 12 foot soldiers from the Velez Battalion of the Army’s 17th Brigade, the brigade accused by the Peace Community of participation in many of the crimes committed in the area. Last November, prosecutors arrested a captain from the same battalion, and earlier called 69 soldiers in for questioning about the massacre.

“The truth that has always sustained the community, a truth of the victims, is once again reaffirmed,” the Peace Community said after the arrests. The community expressed appreciation for all those “who have believed and been with the victims, their dreams and lives for a different world. This encourages us to continue building alternatives of true peace.”

But the community said that paramilitary threats against its members also continue. On March 24 in the city of Apartadó, paramilitary men approached people close to the Peace Community and told them that the community’s leaders “could be sure that sooner or later they would kill them, that they had to carry out a massacre in San Josecito or La Unión [the two largest settlements of the Peace Community], and that everything was already worked out with the police.”

FOR applauds the steps taken to bring to justice those responsible for the massacre, after which our field team accompanied the community in the exhumation of bodies and through their grief. We see these positive steps as the result of persistent and brave actions by Colombians and acts of solidarity by many people around the world who were impacted by these events and acted and spoke for justice.

We also have some questions still with us. How did paramilitaries commanded by the notorious ‘Don Berna’ come to be working with the Army’s Velez Battalion? When will those who killed Luis Eduardo Guerra’s family, an hour’s hike away, also be held responsible? And who will hold accountable the president and other high officials who mounted a cover-up of the army’s responsibility for this and other crimes?

[FamilyGuy]

ThacOman

As a source soaw informs readers of only one facet of one side of the complex issues affecting Columbia.

http://www.soaw.org/article.php?id=100

SOA Watch is an independent organization that seeks to close the US Army School of the Americas, under whatever name it is called, through vigils and fasts, demonstrations and nonviolent protest, as well as media and legislative work.

On November 16, 1989, six Jesuit priests, their co-worker and her teenage daughter were massacred in El Salvador. A U.S. Congressional Task Force reported that those responsible were trained at the U.S. Army School of the Americas (SOA) at Ft. Benning, Georgia.

In 1990 SOA Watch began in a tiny apartment outside the main gate of Ft. Benning. While starting with a small group, SOA Watch quickly drew upon the knowledge and experience of many in the U.S. who had worked with the people of Latin America in the 1970's and 80's.

Today, the SOA Watch movement is a large, diverse, grassroots movement rooted in solidarity with the people of Latin America. The goal of SOA Watch is to close the SOA and to change U.S. foreign policy in Latin America by educating the public, lobbying Congress and participating in creative, nonviolent resistance.

Heres their mission statement

SOA Watch is a nonviolent grassroots movement that works to stand in solidarity with the people of Latin America and the Caribbean, to close the SOA/WHINSEC and to change oppressive U.S. foreign policy that the SOA represents. We are grateful to our sisters and brothers throughout Latin America and the Caribbean for their inspiration and the invitation to join them in their struggle for economic and social justice.

You disagree with them yeah? What exactly do you disagree with them about?

[Pax]

Thac0man:

Of course I do, I condemn excesses and illagal actions by all sides. I do so without regard for sides or poltics, but instead out of a respect for justice, the rule of law and human rights (the last taking precident).

Like myself, I fully agree. Thats all I have been asking you to do. Why didnt you do it sooner rather than having to be dragged out of you?

I have to say that really is most strange. What did it take? 2 or 3 threads with numerous questions before Thac0man finally condemned it?

And now he appears to be engaging in the tactics of the addled, immigration obsessed twotone (or whatever his avatar name is this week)!

[FamilyGuy]

Thac0man:

Of course I do, I condemn excesses and illagal actions by all sides. I do so without regard for sides or poltics, but instead out of a respect for justice, the rule of law and human rights (the last taking precident).

Like myself, I fully agree. Thats all I have been asking you to do. Why didnt you do it sooner rather than having to be dragged out of you?

I have to say that really is most strange. What did it take? 2 or 3 threads with numerous questions before Thac0man finally condemned it?

And now he appears to be engaging in the tactics of the addled, immigration obsessed twotone (or whatever his avatar name is this week)!

Even stranger is ThacOmans apparent annoyance and aggravation with the Fellowship of Reconciliation Group for having the cheek to demand that ALL sides cease their violence rather than concentrating solely on FARC.

The bastards - imagine wanting ALL sides to stop violence

Still waiting to see why this stance annoys him so much