Israeli deputy PM says bombing Iran is "unavoidable"

[Slartibuckfast]

And who said Einstein was dead?

Oh, I'm very sorry. I expected somebody of your intelligence to explain the deaths of all or vast amounts of Palestinians? Why would it matter to Iran if they were to launch a hypothecical nuclear attack on Israel the side effects on the Palestinians?

People who reckon Iran wants to nuke Israel should think about it for a second because unless Iran nukes Israel with special 'kill-only-Jews' nuclear weapons, they'll kill all the Palestinians too, or vast vast amounts of them.

Do the Iranians share common heritage with the Palestinians? Any stronger than the Jordanians and Egyptians who seem remarkably happy for countries who had terroritory annexed in 1967? Just curious is all. But then again we're subjected to your unique brand of wit. The Joy.

Iran: the real enemy of the Palestinians. Thanks for that.

[Conor the Bold]

And who said Einstein was dead?

Oh, I'm very sorry. I expected somebody of your intelligence to explain the deaths of all or vast amounts of Palestinians? Why would it matter to Iran if they were to launch a hypothecical nuclear attack on Israel the side effects on the Palestinians?

People who reckon Iran wants to nuke Israel should think about it for a second because unless Iran nukes Israel with special 'kill-only-Jews' nuclear weapons, they'll kill all the Palestinians too, or vast vast amounts of them.

Do the Iranians share common heritage with the Palestinians? Any stronger than the Jordanians and Egyptians who seem remarkably happy for countries who had terroritory annexed in 1967? Just curious is all. But then again we're subjected to your unique brand of wit. The Joy.

Iran: the real enemy of the Palestinians. Thanks for that.

I'd be surprised if the Palestinians even register with the Iranian adminstartion except as a fortunate thorn in Israel's side. I wonder how many times I'll have to make the same point and how many times you'll try and misrepresent what I say. Apathy is not the same as Antipathy as I'm sure you're aware.

[CelticAtheist]

[quote=Conor the Bold]

Right. Hide in the desert. Where exactly?

Also who maintains the vast majority of Saudi Equipment? That would be civilian contractors used by BAe Systems etc, as Saudi Procurement deals also tends to include 3 year maintence contracts for the equipment and then the contract is retendered. Saudi Armed forces do very little of their own maintence of their systems in comparison to other forces.

All the Saudis have to do is shove a gun in the faces of the BAE contractors and the contract problem is solved.

Of course... because shoving guns in the faces of the guys who maintain the expensive and complex equipment in your Army and Navy is the best way of ensuring that said equipment functions properly and doesn't fall to pieces in mid air because somebody forgot to fill the lubrication systems.



And hide in the desert 'where'?[/quote:30cf8rgi]

The moment 1 plane goes down from technical problems, all they have to do is shoot one of them to keep the rest in line.
You think that wouldn't work?

The Arabian desert is a massive place, and no doubt the Saudis know their land well.

[Slartibuckfast]

[quote=Conor the Bold]

And who said Einstein was dead?

Oh, I'm very sorry. I expected somebody of your intelligence to explain the deaths of all or vast amounts of Palestinians? Why would it matter to Iran if they were to launch a hypothecical nuclear attack on Israel the side effects on the Palestinians?

People who reckon Iran wants to nuke Israel should think about it for a second because unless Iran nukes Israel with special 'kill-only-Jews' nuclear weapons, they'll kill all the Palestinians too, or vast vast amounts of them.

Do the Iranians share common heritage with the Palestinians? Any stronger than the Jordanians and Egyptians who seem remarkably happy for countries who had terroritory annexed in 1967? Just curious is all. But then again we're subjected to your unique brand of wit. The Joy.

Iran: the real enemy of the Palestinians. Thanks for that.

I'd be surprised if the Palestinians even register with the Iranian adminstartion except as a fortunate thorn in Israel's side. I wonder how many times I'll have to make the same point and how many times you'll try and misrepresent what I say. Apathy is not the same as Antipathy as I'm sure you're aware.[/quote:2atb8z4b]

The Palestinians: virtually unknown of inside Iran. Keep them coming wee lad

[Conor the Bold]

[quote=CelticAtheist][quote=Conor the Bold][quote=CelticAtheist][quote="Conor the Bold":sutwe64f]
Right. Hide in the desert. Where exactly?

Also who maintains the vast majority of Saudi Equipment? That would be civilian contractors used by BAe Systems etc, as Saudi Procurement deals also tends to include 3 year maintence contracts for the equipment and then the contract is retendered. Saudi Armed forces do very little of their own maintence of their systems in comparison to other forces.[/quote]

All the Saudis have to do is shove a gun in the faces of the BAE contractors and the contract problem is solved.[/quote]

Of course... because shoving guns in the faces of the guys who maintain the expensive and complex equipment in your Army and Navy is the best way of ensuring that said equipment functions properly and doesn't fall to pieces in mid air because somebody forgot to fill the lubrication systems.



And hide in the desert 'where'?[/quote]

The moment 1 plane goes down from technical problems, all they have to do is shoot one of them to keep the rest in line.
You think that wouldn't work?

The Arabian desert is a massive place, and no doubt the Saudis know their land well.[/quote:sutwe64f]

No actually I don't think it would work at all. The minute 1 plane goes down due to technical problems? This might come across as a bit of a shock, but it would only take a few hours to eliminate the RSAF. Those Planes going down to 'Technical Problems' would take a fair jolt of capability out of the RSAF. Because a) it wouldn't be one plane, it would be about a dozen going down at once, then a dozen more on CAP alone.

Because lets look at the choices faced by Foreign Contractors? Be bombed to death by their own Countries as they will be habiting the same area as the targets they are servicing, or support the regieme which is putting a gun to their head? Well I think we can see that you're a coward, but lets not tar anybody else with the same brush yet shall we?

As for hiding in the desert? Its not a forested, undulating country like serbia, its MMFD being operated in by Mechanised formations whose sole raison d'etre was to fart around like Medieval Knights, whilst trying to deter any possible invasion from Iraq. I don't think they'll be all that good at Maskirova and or fighting. You might want to go to war with equipment being serviced by the countrymen of the countries you are fighting but I think it would be a pretty good guess that you're not a pilot or a Soldier. Its not like building a Railroad when any enemy is hundreds or thousands miles away, its fighting a war which lasts days and the enemy is parked right off your coast.

Yes the Arabian desert is a massive place. Its also quite flat.

[url="http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/"]http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/[/url]

[Conor the Bold]

[quote=Slartibuckfast]

And who said Einstein was dead?

Oh, I'm very sorry. I expected somebody of your intelligence to explain the deaths of all or vast amounts of Palestinians? Why would it matter to Iran if they were to launch a hypothecical nuclear attack on Israel the side effects on the Palestinians?

People who reckon Iran wants to nuke Israel should think about it for a second because unless Iran nukes Israel with special 'kill-only-Jews' nuclear weapons, they'll kill all the Palestinians too, or vast vast amounts of them.

Do the Iranians share common heritage with the Palestinians? Any stronger than the Jordanians and Egyptians who seem remarkably happy for countries who had terroritory annexed in 1967? Just curious is all. But then again we're subjected to your unique brand of wit. The Joy.

Iran: the real enemy of the Palestinians. Thanks for that.

I'd be surprised if the Palestinians even register with the Iranian adminstartion except as a fortunate thorn in Israel's side. I wonder how many times I'll have to make the same point and how many times you'll try and misrepresent what I say. Apathy is not the same as Antipathy as I'm sure you're aware.

The Palestinians: virtually unknown of inside Iran. Keep them coming wee lad [/quote:2quxk404]


Because that's exactly what I said. Again somebody of your remarkable intelligence should know the difference between apathy and ignorance. And the difference between adminstration and population. I wait on tenterhooks to see how else you will try and misrepresent what I quite clearly post. You even quote it what I say, and then claim I say something different. Well done that man. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

By the way, I must congratulate you on your resurrection. Impressive.

[Slartibuckfast]

What exactly you said was 'Wibble wobble wibble wobble wobble wibble. Brown people with big horns on their heads are going to kill everybody if we don't kill them all first so quick lets blow them all up and save the wibble wobble world'.

Why I feel the need to take the p!ss out of you for posting stuff like that I don't know.

[CelticAtheist]

No actually I don't think it would work at all. The minute 1 plane goes down due to technical problems? This might come across as a bit of a shock, but it would only take a few hours to eliminate the RSAF. Those Planes going down to 'Technical Problems' would take a fair jolt of capability out of the RSAF. Because a) it wouldn't be one plane, it would be about a dozen going down at once, then a dozen more on CAP alone.

Because lets look at the choices faced by Foreign Contractors? Be bombed to death by their own Countries as they will be habiting the same area as the targets they are servicing, or support the regieme which is putting a gun to their head? Well I think we can see that you're a coward, but lets not tar anybody else with the same brush yet shall we?

As for hiding in the desert? Its not a forested, undulating country like serbia, its MMFD being operated in by Mechanised formations whose sole raison d'etre was to fart around like Medieval Knights, whilst trying to deter any possible invasion from Iraq. I don't think they'll be all that good at Maskirova and or fighting. You might want to go to war with equipment being serviced by the countrymen of the countries you are fighting but I think it would be a pretty good guess that you're not a pilot or a Soldier. Its not like building a Railroad when any enemy is hundreds or thousands miles away, its fighting a war which lasts days and the enemy is parked right off your coast.

Yes the Arabian desert is a massive place. Its also quite flat.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/

Whether it's flat or not isn't the point. In fact, if it's flat, that's even more dangerous for allied airpower, SAM and radar sites can pick them up quicker. Sure, you'll say you can pull the stealth card, but may I remind you of an F-117 being shot down by a Serbian AA commander's SAM battery...

Then there's the massive trek across the desert to capture the cities, the rising of Muslim nations as Mecca and Medina are threatened and the possible closing off of the Suez Canal route to the Red Sea.

And of course, the real clincher: the lack of oil.
The vastness of the Arabian desert wouldn't help with that situation much either...

[Roisin]

[quote=Eddie Collins][quote=CelticAtheist][quote="Eddie Collins":31c1by6k]

Its always countries that are rich in oil that the axis of evil Britain/USA/Israel target.

Not at all. For example Norway is quite safe. But it could be something to do with countries whose leaders are looking forward to Armageddon so that the 12th Mahdi will reappear from down a well.

Ehm, you might find that the UK/US/Israel axis might actually feel Norway was well under control...along with Mexico, Canada, the US and UK themselves, etc. Members of Nato, Nafta, in some cases, same cultural philosophical outlook and all that stuff.

The endtimers in the US are also confidently awaiting Armageddon, the Rapture, whatever, and some of these loolahs have reached some levels of power in the current admin. Hopefully a Democratic administration would silence these, however

It does appear that those chosen for attack recently actually do have oil reserves... personally, I kinda feel Robert Mugabe and the North Koreans are both in need of some Enduring Freedom action.... but are they going to get it??? Naahhh, no black gold!

Norway has been extremeley shrewd with it 's oil and gas revenues and the protector of it's oil rigs and infrastructure has been the Britis, who are now it's main customers..


And if the objective was purely black gold , I would have thought Venezuala, Saudi, Nigeria, Kuwait etc would be fairly easy targets.[/quote:31c1by6k]

Saudi Arabia, an easy target?
It's the only real military power amongst the Arabic nations with the exception of Egypt.[/quote:31c1by6k]

True, on paper, Saudi has the most expensive toys, but these would be quickly and easily confiscated/rendered useless.[/quote:31c1by6k]


I think you're somewhat confused. The USA/West has no interest in fighting with Saudi Arabia, who are ruled by friendly dictators. That they are Sunni (or Wahabi) Muslim is all the better as they tend to lend themselves more easily to autocratic rule and it's only necessary to control or be on friendly terms with the ruler/ruling elite. The other countries you listed: Venezuela - problem to the USA/West as they have elections and aren't ruled by a friendly dictator. Nigeria - USA/West have decent relations with democratic govt but supported Sunni Muslims against Christians when that country had a civil war, even though the oil is in the Christian part of the country. Kuwait - Sunni Muslim again, USA/West went to war to restore friendly dictator. Now Iran is different. They have those nasty Shia Muslims, who tend to lend themselves towards democracy a bit more than their Sunni brethren, not as easy to control. This freedom and democracy thing can get a bit complicated you know, especially when people start taking you at your word that you believe in it.

[Conor the Bold]

What exactly you said was 'Wibble wobble wibble wobble wobble wibble. Brown people with big horns on their heads are going to kill everybody if we don't kill them all first so quick lets blow them all up and save the wibble wobble world'.

Why I feel the need to take the p!ss out of you for posting stuff like that I don't know.

Please save me from your rapier like wit. Lets just have a quick recap.

People who reckon Iran wants to nuke Israel should think about it for a second because unless Iran nukes Israel with special 'kill-only-Jews' nuclear weapons, they'll kill all the Palestinians too, or vast vast amounts of them.

And?

And who said Einstein was dead?

Oh, I'm very sorry. I expected somebody of your intelligence to explain the deaths of all or vast amounts of Palestinians? Why would it matter to Iran if they were to launch a hypothecical nuclear attack on Israel the side effects on the Palestinians? Do the Iranians share common heritage with the Palestinians? Any stronger than the Jordanians and Egyptians who seem remarkably happy for countries who had terroritory annexed in 1967? Just curious is all. But then again we're subjected to your unique brand of wit. The Joy.

Iran: the real enemy of the Palestinians. Thanks for that.

I'd be surprised if the Palestinians even register with the Iranian adminstartion except as a fortunate thorn in Israel's side. I wonder how many times I'll have to make the same point and how many times you'll try and misrepresent what I say. Apathy is not the same as Antipathy as I'm sure you're aware.

The Palestinians: virtually unknown of inside Iran. Keep them coming wee lad

Because that's exactly what I said. Again somebody of your remarkable intelligence should know the difference between apathy and ignorance. And the difference between adminstration and population. I wait on tenterhooks to see how else you will try and misrepresent what I quite clearly post. You even quote it what I say, and then claim I say something different. Well done that man. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

By the way, I must congratulate you on your resurrection. Impressive.

I can't see how you've addressed the question to why the Palestinians mean more to the Iranians than for example, the people of Afgahnistan meant to the US after 1989? And why their presence or wellfare would have an over-riding factor in Iranian foreign policy or hypothecial military actions except as a rather fortunate stick to beat over the heads of the Israeli's. Jordan and Egypt seem quite happy to let Gaza and West Bank reside in Israel. Nor despite the current 'horrors', and sharing common borders and in general having much more in common with the Palestinians than Persians many hundreds of miles away ever would.

But hey, perhaps I'll just let you "wibble wobble" all you want. Afterall you've got try in some manner to save face after what orginally was your point "Those lovable Iranian Bunnies wouldn't launch a Nuclear attack on Israel, because they might hurt the Palestinian people they love so much". There are many reasons for the Iranians not to indulge in Nuclear Warfare, many much more important to a Nation State than the fate of a people in which you have little in common with. Should push come to shove, like I've said before, if Iran were to consider launching a Nuclear attack on Isreal, I think the fate of the Palestinians would be far from anybody mind in the Iranian adminstration. Something which you are yet to refute.

But lets see you do yet another impression of Lazerus and chuck another withering put down across.