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About LinkBacksEnoch Powell delivered his 'Rivers of Blood' speech 40 years ago. Channel 4's Dispatches investigates whether his apocalyptic visions have any basis of reality in today's world. Thoughts?
http://www.channel4.com/news/article...speech/1934152
Enoch Powell delivered his 'Rivers of Blood' speech 40 years ago. Channel 4's Dispatches investigates whether his apocalyptic visions have any basis of reality in today's world. Thoughts?
http://www.channel4.com/news/article...speech/1934152
Was this on before cos I think I've seen it. Its not a bad documentary- worth a watch.
Integration is always a hard and slow process- one which is easy to criticize which will always garner popularity from disadvantaged people struggling to understand why they have so little. The Irish were not wanted in places like America and Britain and now they are seen integral communities. Black and Indian immigrants were not wanted aswell and now 2 or 3 generations later they call themselves British or American etc.
The most telling part of this documentary (if its the one I saw) is a 3rd generation West Indian British man complaining about foreigners coming into Britain and taking jobs and changing "his" country.
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I did not see the documentary but i was told about it, which is absurd and futhermore i think the same scenarios will not be repeated here in ireland because ireland hasn't got large proportions of immigrant unlike in great britain, but i somewhat believe that, the same sort of situations is emarging in irish communities around the country but the situation is not exposive in nature but ''undercover'' ethnic tension ochestrated by some minority racist irish citizen that believe that, they could not cope with the new immigrant in their jurisdictions, if such a thing is allowed to propell further than that, i tell you what it will be bloody in ireland, However it will always be blame on some people that believes that, immigrant can not come and take over their father land, undermining the realisations that they're still minority by so doing they turn them to one another and most immigrant are ''illitrate'' and lack common sense in view of that fact they'll start the fight until it escalate.
Because we've seen a situations in some community whereby some irish are dominating council house and attack foriegn national business aswell, and they say indirectly to the housing officers that, they can not reside alongside blacks or asians and the rest of the sort, whereby new council houses ended up been alocated to irish citizens alone, well equal right and justice will be done in that aspect very soon and the minister for housing and integration designate need to fishout those communities before it get out of hand accordingly.
But the government should start working on that aspect before it escalate in ireland aswell, because a situations wereby british born with foriegn parent background had to leave their country for america because of lack of opportunity is absolutely crazy in todays world.
It wont be too long when you're right or wrong!
I saw a BBC documentry on the same subject. What was interesting is that Powells prophetic predictions came ot pass during the Thatcher era, a woman who detested Powell. The first time I heard Enoch Powells word being used by a politician in moderen times was by David Blunkett when home secretary, which was a shock. But Powell dated racism and incular views aside, as they were products of his time, his speech is certainly being 'rehabilitated'. What is suprising is that it is the left and liberal set both in politics and media who are trying to do this, not those liek the BNP etc whom we would have expected(?).
Thac0man: said
"What is suprising is that it is the left and liberal set both in politics and media who are trying to do this, not those liek the BNP etc whom we would have expected(?)."
I expect that's because they (the BNP) realise that Powells' speech was a massive own goal. The speech's very popularity provoked the ruling Conservative/Labour, left of centre, political oligarchy to destroy him politically and in doing so clear the way for 40 years of virtually unimpeded immigration exacerbated by the pernicious doctrine of multiculturism. A classic example of the Paradox of Consequences in action.
How has it worked so well in the States? I think it's down to the non-racial nature of US citizenship? Anyone can be an American and that can't be said as much for countries here in the Old World.
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But thats because America was only developed as a nation when the various colonisers began arriving there. There were no white Americans until the first 'settlers'/immigrants/colonisers decided to set up shop and start building communities along the east coast. America is essentially a nation which was built by immigrants, for immigrants. The only authentic Americans were the Indians, and they've effectively been forgotten as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 10th, 12th, etc., generation white "Americans" went in search of the famous "American Dream".Originally Posted by fergalr
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I'm not aware that it has "worked so well in the States" given its history of racial tension. However USA does have a very real advantage in that, with the exception of the tiny remnent of 'native americans', no 'Yank' can claim precedence over another on the grounds of indigenousness; they're all immigrants within a few generations. Whereas despite the pro-immigration mantra that "we're all immigrants" the core populations of european countries are 'indigenous' with the population of the British Isles having its roots in the original settlers that followed the retreating ice with the decline of the last ice age 10,000 years ago. "All indigenous people have a right to preserve their own culture, their own heritage in their own place": or so Nick Griffen says.
Yup, it worked tremendously well in the US, which is an exmaple to the rest of the west. The peaceful demonstrations in Los Angelese highlighting the plight of black people in 1992, the local community movements such as the KKK to help local whites and blacks integrate in the deep south. Not forgetting of course the multicultural neighbourhoods which blend so well together in New York, such as the areas around Jamaica, Babylon and Montauk. New York itself is a bastion of racial harmony - an example of which was how Irish and Africans together worked in the early days of New York's construction sector. We could go on of course, with showing how the Nation of Islam defiantly worked with Jewish organisations in continuing to educate the population on the horrors of racism and anti-semitism.
Of course, where would we be without the uneventful integration of Cuban immigrants to Florida 30 years ago, and the current movement to help Mexican people who now live and work along southern border communities, integrating so well into the Multicultural American Dream.
(What ************************************g planet are you living on?)
lol, smartarse...Can you imagine the amount of racial diversity that America enjoys working on even a fraction of that scale in any European country? For example, feel free to point out the home grown Islamic fascists arrested since September 11th. There's over six million Muslims so where have the attacks been?
"Unless you are an absolute pacifist, then you acknowledge that there are times when taking up arms is appropriate."
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