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    Right-wing Poles would have other enemies besides Russia. For example, the EU leadership, the Clinton wing of the Democratic party and the John McCain wing of the Republicans. Not to mention Poland's sometimes tense relationship with Israel
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    Wasn't this an accident in extremely bad weather, where the pilots were put under severe pressure not to abort the landing by the Chief of the Polish Air Force standing behind them in the cockpit, virtually ordering them to land, despite their obvious concerns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    Wasn't this an accident in extremely bad weather, where the pilots were put under severe pressure not to abort the landing by the Chief of the Polish Air Force standing behind them in the cockpit, virtually ordering them to land, despite their obvious concerns?
    It was. Pilot error - the cause of the majority of aircraft accidents around the world - nothing to see here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Russia frustrated any investigation...FSB saturated the site, read the first article

    The first article I posted has material from an independent aviation expert

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    Schindler’s article doesn’t prove anything. The former Lockerbie investigator didn’t examine the wreckage or the site.

    Besides why wait for it to come in to land and then detonate multiple bombs inside the fuselage only yards from the runway?

    The pilot came in just short of the runway in trees and the plane flipped.

    Pure conspiracy theory, imo, which is why Schindler keeps mentioning conspiracy theory in his article. He’s always looking to blame Russia for anything.
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    I was going to make a comment about it being quiet a coincidence that an NSA operative writes an article based on an assertion by a British intelligence agent blaming Russia for a plane crash 7 years ago in this environment.

    I won't even bother. He doesn't even trust the intelligence of his reader to join the dots themselves so makes an explicit reference to Novichok in Salisbury. He actually thinks his readers are stupider than I think they are!!

    I suppose when the UK "Free Press" are involved in voluntary gag orders which regulates what they are allowed write about they have to find some toxic propaganda to pump out.

    In the latest edition of the war mongers agenda we have the Polish Government, staunch allies of the Russians, actively helping cover up that Putin killed their President.

    Classic.
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    I think this is possible. The fact he was on his way to the Katyn commemoration is significant, and Russian nationalists were not happy about Putin commemorating it. Poland and Russia have despised each other for centuries.

    On the other hand, a technical fault is also possible. What doesnt help matters is the Putin regimes obsession with secrecy, which makes getting to the truth difficult. The same problem happened at the Moscow theatre siege, when they refused to tell the hospital the name of the gas they used.
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    I have always thought this was pilot error combined with sloppy Russian control tower procedures, but not in any way intentional or orchestrated.

    The fact of the matter is that Law and Justice, the weird Polish rightwing nationalist party, used the fact that Russia refused to co-operate with the investigation to accuse the then Polish PM, Donald Tusk, of helping the Russians to conceal vital evidence.

    Now the reality is that Law and Justice far from being patriots who are determined to resist Russian influence have been useful tools of the Kremlin. Their policy of antagonising the EU, getting into pointless rows with Ukraine, suspending the rule of law in the courts, and cracking down on free media suits Putin down to the ground.

    He would be more than happy to create the impression that there was a Russian plot to down the Smolensk, if it helps Law and Justice to go on isolating POland within the EU
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    Wasn't this an accident in extremely bad weather, where the pilots were put under severe pressure not to abort the landing by the Chief of the Polish Air Force standing behind them in the cockpit, virtually ordering them to land, despite their obvious concerns?
    The pilot didn't want to land due to bad weather but was ordered to by some top brass.
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    Hard to take the OP seriously because it starts off talking about Katyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    Hard to take the OP seriously because it starts off talking about Katyn.
    Why ?

    The crash happened in travel to the Katyn memorial ?

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