Brit Royal Harry in Afghanistan

[JDLK]

[quote=cactus flower]

Not far from here, on Monday, a gang of armed men stormed into the office of Plan International, gathered all the staff into a room, raked them with machine gun fire and threw a grenade at them.

This is what the war on terror is doing.

The Jihadi groups themselves were born from Western interference and the suffering they are inflicting on the Afghan and Pakistani people is a direct result of Western meddling.

So what is it you want man, the Brits to pull out and have the extremist goups (that yes I will fully accpet they created) take over the country and put the people through more hell??

Ahmad Shah DURRANI unified the Pashtun tribes and founded Afghanistan in 1747. The country served as a buffer between the British and Russian empires until it won independence from notional British control in 1919. A brief experiment in democracy ended in a 1973 coup and a 1978 Communist counter-coup. The Soviet Union invaded in 1979 to support the tottering Afghan Communist regime, touching off a long and destructive war. The USSR withdrew in 1989 under relentless pressure by internationally supported anti-Communist mujahedin rebels. Subsequently, a series of civil wars saw Kabul finally fall in 1996 to the Taliban, a hardline Pakistani-sponsored movement that emerged in 1994 to end the country's civil war and anarchy. Following the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks in New York City, a US, Allied, and anti-Taliban Northern Alliance military action toppled the Taliban for sheltering Osama BIN LADIN. The UN-sponsored Bonn Conference in 2001 established a process for political reconstruction that included the adoption of a new constitution and a presidential election in 2004, and National Assembly elections in 2005. On 7 December 2004, Hamid KARZAI became the first democratically elected president of Afghanistan. The National Assembly was inaugurated on 19 December 2005.
(CIA website - link in a previous post)

I suggest that you try googling " Karzai US stooge ".

Afghanistan is located on a geopolitical faultline between Russian and English/US areas of influence. The presence of important oil pipelines has added to the reasons for outside meddling and destabilisation. If interference was going to work to the benefit of Afghanis, they would be one of the worlds richest countries by now. All the same arguements were made against Irish independence - are you against that too?[/quote:wha03fwl]

How does being pro Afghan democracy equate with me being anti Irish Independance? Not that it matters but I had relatives that fought the British and I was raised a republican

[JDLK]

If we cannot be clear on the fact that there can be no democracy without liberty, then what can we be clear on? Are we so badly infected with doublethink?

The situation in Afghanistan is not ideal, nor am I sayin gthat those involved have used the best strategies but they are a hell of alot closer to liberty today than they were under the Taliban

[lostexpectation]

Its bizarre, isn't it. One minute they are lecturing everyone about evils of the Brits killing people in Afghanistan, then they are defending the killing of people by Republicans in the North. Their issue isn't with people being killed at all. Its with the fact that the Brits do it. In their eyes the Brits are wrong on everything everywhere everytime.

that cos both cases are brits were forcing themselves where they not wanted.

[lostexpectation]

If we cannot be clear on the fact that there can be no democracy without liberty, then what can we be clear on? Are we so badly infected with doublethink?

The situation in Afghanistan is not ideal, nor am I sayin gthat those involved have used the best strategies but they are a hell of alot closer to liberty today than they were under the Taliban

because the 70,00 foreign soldiers in there country and the recent report saying their mission is failing points to that.

[st333ve]

Its bizarre, isn't it. One minute they are lecturing everyone about evils of the Brits killing people in Afghanistan, then they are defending the killing of people by Republicans in the North. Their issue isn't with people being killed at all. Its with the fact that the Brits do it. In their eyes the Brits are wrong on everything everywhere everytime.

that cos both cases are brits were forcing themselves where they not wanted.

Who are these people who defend killing here and oppose it in Afghanistan anyway?
I havent seen anyone mention anything like this, and there isnt any killing going on where i live in the north,I dont live in Limerick.

[cactus flower]

[quote=Catalpa]

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/af.html[/url]

THe British were thrashed last time they undertook an adventure in Afghanistan

When was this?

1843. Of 12,000 men, only one survived.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Retreat-Kabul-C ... 1585745790


2008
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-02-13-voa47.cfm

That wasn't the last time me ol flower...

Check your facts.[/quote:1z6g5g2k]


This isn't trivial pursuits, Catalpa, why dont you do your own homework.
But since you ask 1880 and 1919 were just as decisive.

http://www.afghanmagazine.com/afghanhis ... istory.pdf

http://www.afghanmagazine.com/afghanhis ... istory.pdf

[Asi-Irish]

Time for a reality check JDLK. You're cheering the wrong team.

"Democracy" cannot be imposed through occupation.

Join our side, we're for LIBERTY and the fulfillment of the universal rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (Though I'm not a massive UN fan).

The UDHR isn't an a la carte menu.

[cactus flower]

Time for a reality check JDLK. You're cheering the wrong team.

"Democracy" cannot be imposed through occupation.

Join our side, we're for LIBERTY and the fulfillment of the universal rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (Though I'm not a massive UN fan).

The UDHR isn't an a la carte menu.

[JDLK]

Time for a reality check JDLK. You're cheering the wrong team.

"Democracy" cannot be imposed through occupation.

Join our side, we're for LIBERTY and the fulfillment of the universal rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. (Though I'm not a massive UN fan).

The UDHR isn't an a la carte menu.

I'll keep an open mind as always

[Asi-Irish]

PEOPLE POWER JDLK! PEOPLE POWER, BROTHER

Don't forget that we're ALL human.