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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilkinson View Post
    Everyone can see through his falsehoods,patronising,and sheer stupidity.

    While many would say ISIS would have little chance of gaining a foothold in Iran.
    Of course not. ISIS are Sunni fanatics who would regard Shias as barely human let alone Muslim. They may have some pockets of support in Sunni Arab areas in the south-west, but nowhere else. Whoever else fills the vacuum, it will not be ISIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Linda "sharia means no interest on your mortgage" 'Ayaan Hirsi Ali...does not deserve to have a vagina' Sarsour was a keynote speaker at that protest.

    She is unaopolgetically, & vicious in her unlimited bile against Jewish people.

    The credibility of her cult demands complete destruction of the belief system, whose tenets it plagiarised.

    And the most insightful part - she is in thr US Democratic Party.
    Yeah, right, it looks like she is seriously anti-jewish.
    After Jewish cemeteries and synagogues were vandalized in 2017, she and Tarek El-Messidi raised over $160,000 from the Muslim community to help the Jewish community rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    On Morning Ireland today, overheard from an Eastern correspondent:

    "This is the Middle East. Only bad things happen here. No one ever lost money betting on bad stuff happening in the Middle East".

    Foresaw either a victory for repression, or a collapse into anarchy such as Iraq 2006. Not great options.
    Yeah, heard that. Good summary, I thought. I don't expect a good outcome either. Probably the best that can be hoped for is that the regime is sufficiently frightened to permit some liberalisation and scale down its foreign adventures. I wouldn't 'bet the house' on it.
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    “It takes great bravery for the Iranian people to use the power of their voice against their government, especially when that government has a long history of murdering its own people who dare to speak the truth... All freedom-loving people must stand with their cause."

    - Nikki Haley.
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    I notice that several of the claims regarding Iran were supported by videos from other places as disparate as Bahrein, Buenos Aires, and even one from a film.
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    Making tough comments about Iran now is a form of virtue signalling for the Right. Of course, they want more sanctions as well irrespective of whether such moves will make the lives of ordinary Iranians even worse. Iran will change when the security forces see the light. I presume we don’t want another Syria?
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    Tienanmen Square was a violent reaction to a similar sort of protest in China. While it's true the Chinese regime did strongly react to the protests, they did bring in reforms and manage their diplomacy in a way that enabled the country to prosper.

    They did this without caving into the West. Is Iran able to see this parallel and are they smart enough to repeat it?

    The price of oil is increasing. Is the extra money going to be invested in growth or spent on the security forces?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardillaun View Post
    Making tough comments about Iran now is a form of virtue signalling for the Right. Of course, they want more sanctions as well irrespective of whether such moves will make the lives of ordinary Iranians even worse. Iran will change when the security forces see the light. I presume we don’t want another Syria?
    When riots started against the Assad regime, they were later blamed on the CIA, Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton, especially after Russia stepped in as an ally of Assad.

    That is was Islaic and Shiite Iran who saved Assad's bacon by loaning him Hezbollah and supplying him with arms was never alluded to.

    The Syria-Iran-Russian-Hezbollah terrorist alliance, AFAIK, have never been denounced by Donald Trump, except for its Iranian part.

    Now its boot-on-other-foot, as the CIA and Trump, or at least their Saudi allies, may have played a role in fomenting these protests. And that is a GOOD thing, but in Syria it was a BAD thing.

    There are roughly two alliances emerging Russia - Syria - Hezbollah - Iran, and Israel - Saudi Arabia - Egypt - Jordan (maybe). The Gulf states mainly align with the second one, except for Qatar. Turkey could fall into either camp but is certainly leaning against Israel right now. The Palestinians are isolated.

    The odd thing is the weakness of the United States, whose influence is seriously diminished in either camp. Currently, Russia-Syria-Iran seems to be more coherent and have a plan, unlike their opponents.
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    Just reading on the net (forget where) I came across this interesting background.

    The Iranian government is spilt between the (somewhat) moderate Rouhani, and the hard-line Republican Guard.

    Having achieved their outlet to the Mediterranean, the RG want to build port facilities in Syria, presumably a pipeline, and possibly a highway. It would cost billions - Rouhani argues the country cannot afford that, and the money should be invested in Iran, where the economy is languishing.

    This is the debate that has spilled onto the streets. Mashdad, were it started, is an ant-Rouhani stronghold, and it may have been the RG who encouraged the original riots to put pressure on. However, things got out of hand, and the fake demonstrators where swamped by real ones with real grievances.

    Rouhani conceded the right to demonstrate - he tried to turn the protests to his advantage, showing that economic growth was essential to maintain stability. However, that did not cow the rioters, and the attacks on army and police by working class Iranians are new, different to the middle-class 2009 Green Movement.

    Today there were mass pro-Government rallies, meaning perhaps the ordinary Iranian-in-the-street has become alarmed.

    It will be hard to see for some time what effect this will have on Iranian government, or if there will be further protests in the future.

    Meanwhile, the sanctions and nuclear deal ball is back in Donald Trump's court. He may re-impose the sanctions removed by Obama, but he will find no enthusiasm in the EU, Russia or China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    There are roughly two alliances emerging Russia - Syria - Hezbollah - Iran, and Israel - Saudi Arabia - Egypt - Jordan (maybe). The Gulf states mainly align with the second one, except for Qatar. Turkey could fall into either camp but is certainly leaning against Israel right now.
    Don't leave out Nauru (with their new sewerage system), Marshall Islands, etc.
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