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    Quote Originally Posted by Trainwreck View Post
    Because he is a President that recognised he is the executive branch and shouldn't be standing in the way of the democratically elected Congress?


    The question you really should be asking is why Presidents before him refused to execute those laws duly passed through both Houses of Congress (unanimously in the case of the Senate)? Of course the answer is; bowing to terrorists. Which says all you need to know about the political establishment represented by Clinton, Bush and Obama
    Didn't bother him over the Paris agreements, did it?

    More importantly, the idea that this particular vote was the only outstanding one over the last two or three decades and that nothing has changed since then that might mean it may need to be revisited is just, well I was going to say laughable, but it's not funny at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    Why?

    I mean, why now?

    It's not like he's usually that bothered about respecting previous administrations' treaties, and he claims to operate purely on the basis of America's interests first - so what exactly does America gain by yesterday's decision to suddenly apply a two decade old vote?
    Two decades of the US being expected to broker "peace" in the middle east while in reality no-one there really seems to want peace.

    IMHO if countries put more demands on the various stakeholders to take responsibility and stopped dancing around the issue maybe peace would be possible.

    It's typical that the good liberal media are tut-tutting Trump for finally executing US policy but largely turning a blind eye to this

    Hamas leader Ismail Haniya has called for a new Palestinian intifada, or uprising, after US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
    Some are even blaming Trump for Hamas' "predictable" response!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inglurious View Post
    You seem to be praising the fact that he done what other presidents wouldn't do, then in response to criticism of what he did do, you're saying he did nothing, that this was agreed in 1995.
    And of course a vote in 1995, I mean, what possible reason could there be not to dust it down and implement it in 2017?
    It's not like anything has changed since then. Is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    Why?

    I mean, why now?

    It's not like he's usually that bothered about respecting previous administrations' treaties, and he claims to operate purely on the basis of America's interests first - so what exactly does America gain by yesterday's decision to suddenly apply a two decade old vote?
    Quote Originally Posted by Inglurious View Post
    He signed it into US law. No former presidents would.
    He said on the campaign trail he would do it and so he has. A politician keeping their promises, strange I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    Two decades of the US being expected to broker "peace" in the middle east while in reality no-one there really seems to want peace.

    IMHO if countries put more demands on the various stakeholders to take responsibility and stopped dancing around the issue maybe peace would be possible.

    It's typical that the good liberal media are tut-tutting Trump for finally executing US policy but largely turning a blind eye to this.

    Some are even blaming Trump for Hamas' "predictable" response!!!!
    Ok, you're just trolling, bye.
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    Gaza, Sinai, ending Hamas, Iran

    I'd think he probably recognizes you have two groups who both claim the same piece of land, both of whom are loaded with extremists, and there ain't no deal happening.

    So he is moving on. I also think that he definitely wants to reshape the world and the sacred and unproductive cow that is the peace process as it was is to be scrapped. Move on, the great disruptor etc etc.

    There was talk of a block of land being given to Palestine from Sinai. Imagine Saudi gives some money to help build new towns there. There are shops built, grants are waiting. Which of the Palestinians will decide yeah I want to remain in this ************************ heap of an enclave instead if living in a Palestine area contiguous to Gaza.

    Some will stay and many will move to Sinai quite fast. Perhaps a new home might lure a family from a single bedroom in Jerusalem etc etc.

    Secondly, Hamas have to be broken from a Trump point of view. This can facilitate their replacement. Now access to housing, money etc can be routed through a different route. So a prediction is if there is a Sinai land grant there will be a big of intra fighting in Palestine. The losers will be the iranian back Hamas.

    There a contours that might just happen in this plan.

    But there are pieces to be out in play yet.
    Last edited by Mick Mac; 7th December 2017 at 01:44 PM. Reason: Gaza, Sinai, ending Hamas, Iran
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inglurious View Post
    You seem to be praising the fact that he done what other presidents wouldn't do, then in response to criticism of what he did do, you're saying he did nothing, that this was agreed in 1995.
    Both are correct.

    In '95 it became US policy, but every president since has had to effectively cancel the policy every 6 months...bizarre.

    Since '95 and this ongoing appeasement of the various factions there's been no progress on the "peace process", so maybe the US, in particular trump buys into Einsteins other theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    He said on the campaign trail he would do it and so he has. A politician keeping their promises, strange I know.
    Any idea of what's in it for America? (America not being equivalent to Trump Corp. right?)

    Because he put a lot more emphasis on not implementing any previous or ongoing agreements until he was satisfied that they were in America's interests. Like the refugee agreement with Australia. He didn't apparently feel under any obligation to implement that, because - he claimed - it wasn't in America's interests to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petaljam View Post
    Ok, you're just trolling, bye.
    So now having a different opinion is trolling...good to know.
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    Petal, what about post 649 above.

    Reckon that's motive there.
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