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    Quote Originally Posted by Degeneration X View Post
    Hopefully you are not a apologist for the Plantation Slavery of the Southern US either, as some on this site are.

    No I'm not never have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Car View Post
    No I'm not never have been.
    Glad to hear it, I thought your attempt to change the subject from historical US crimes by diverting the discussion to historical Russian crimes was an attempt to excuse the former, I am relieved to be mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ellie08 View Post
    You just called them prisoners. They were not slaves. They were not sold. So you're incorrect.
    Who says people have to be bought and sold if they are to be considered slaves. Forced labour within a Soviet concentration camp could certainly be considered a form a slavery - especially if they are being worked to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritzbox View Post
    Who says people have to be bought and sold if they are to be considered slaves. Forced labour within a Soviet concentration camp could certainly be considered a form a slavery - especially if they are being worked to death.
    I think the nick-name for them was "zeks", a Russian word meaning slave.

    But in all seriousness this is not a thread about the present or past Russian economy but about the US.

    If we want to talk about prisoners working in captivity is not the use of the US penal population for cheap labour more a contemporary line of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Degeneration X View Post
    I think the nick-name for them was "zeks", a Russian word meaning slave.
    No 'Rab' is the Russian word for slave. 'Zek' is derived from the word 'zaklyuchyonii' imprisoned person.

    If we want to talk about prisoners working in captivity is not the use of the US penal population for cheap labour more a contemporary line of discussion.
    Sure, if you want to talk about America only. But criticising America as a nation can only really work if you compare it to other states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ellie08 View Post
    You just called them prisoners. They were not slaves. They were not sold. So you're incorrect.
    They were treated worse than slaves in many cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyFoley View Post
    They were treated worse than slaves in many cases.
    Slaves are always treated appallingly some worse than others, some of the apologists for US slavery like to imagine that the slaves weren't mis-treated all that badly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Degeneration X View Post
    If we want to talk about prisoners working in captivity is not the use of the US penal population for cheap labour more a contemporary line of discussion.
    What should be done with those prisoners?

    Ever read the US Constitution's 13th Amendment?
    Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    So, the answer is to coddle hardened lawless people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ellie08 View Post
    gulags were for prisoners. They were not slaves.
    Wow; you're actually excusing the USSR, and that is abominable. Political "prisoners" were slaves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al. View Post
    Wow; you're actually excusing the USSR, and that is abominable. Political "prisoners" were slaves.
    No I'm not. I just pointed out they were not slaves.
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