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    eoghanacht eoghanacht is offline
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    This guy is clearly an anti-semite.

    He's getting his info from that infamous Jew hating Times of Israel.

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    Debate inside Israel about Israel is much more two-sided than it is in either the US (pro) or Ireland (anti).
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    Quote Originally Posted by roc_ View Post
    No. There is a BIG difference between this kind of debate within Israel, and that that occurs outside of it.

    I.e. Outside of the framework of domestic Israeli political debate (for example, within the framework of Irish domestic "activism"), what you inevitably find if you look carefully, is that antizionism nearly always tends to antisemitism. - But that is rarely the case within Israel.

    Indeed I wonder why people like you can't just let Israel alone to have their debate without descending on their every utterance like this in the manner of a vulture.

    Of course, the barrage of anti-Israel / anti-Jewish stories, are mostly gross distortions or out-right lies. But that is not to say there are real underlying issues there.

    Take this - there are four major "imperialist" players in the region. The Arabs, the Turks, the Iranians and the Israeli Jews. - Now, all these countries in the region ruled by each of these four players has sizeable minorities that are to a lesser or greater degree suppressed, mistreated, or otherwise abused.

    But why this utterly disproportionate obsession with the behavior of the Israelis v the Palestinians? Actual and otherwise. (Usually otherwise). And why this complete obliviousness to the what is happening to all the other downtrodden minorities in the region? (Which when you add them all up is almost half the population of the Middle East.). - Do you even know who the Circassians are, where exactly Baluchistan is, or what language the Azaries speak? Or what is the plight of such minorities as these? No.

    Of course, the message the deputy chief was really trying to convey has been lost here. What he was really trying to say has been ignored. Instead, a couple of sentences have been swooped upon. - And it has also been ignored that here is a man who is charged with leading the IDF, inspiring it, keeping it true to its values, giving it its vision, exhorting its morals. That is what he speaks towards. Nothing else.

    And in speaking towards this, this man exposed a weak, conciliatory, abasing, spot and it was attacked by Israel's enemies with typical vehemence. So it falls to Netanyahu as usual to minimise the damage and ensure his people are not more greatly endangered or compromised.
    The focus on Israel might be that they call themselves a civilised democracy and receive billions from the US and free entry to the EU market.

    There might be some expectation that they would follow the rule of law and treat people properly.
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    Like every society Israel has it's nutters and decent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Mercedes View Post
    Debate inside Israel about Israel is much more two-sided than it is in either the US (pro) or Ireland (anti).
    Their zionazi policies are still very much one sided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Mercedes View Post
    Debate inside Israel about Israel is much more two-sided than it is in either the US (pro) or Ireland (anti).
    Yes. Absolutely. It is incredible vociferous, heated, and even vicious. And this is probably the reason why they have survived to now, and why they will continue to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roc_ View Post
    Of course, the message the deputy chief was really trying to convey has been lost here. What he was really trying to say has been ignored. Instead, a couple of sentences have been swooped upon. - And it has also been ignored that here is a man who is charged with leading the IDF, inspiring it, keeping it true to its values, giving it its vision, exhorting its morals. That is what he speaks towards. Nothing else.

    And in speaking towards this, this man exposed a weak, conciliatory, abasing, spot and it was attacked by Israel's enemies with typical vehemence. So it falls to Netanyahu as usual to minimise the damage and ensure his people are not more greatly endangered or compromised.
    I'm wondering why you have to tell us what he really means. We can all read you know, it's like a panic to get back on message because one of your own calls it like it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EoinMag View Post
    I'm wondering why you have to tell us what he really means. We can all read you know, it's like a panic to get back on message because one of your own calls it like it is.
    And it must be pretty bad when it turns the stomach of someone senior in the Army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eire1976 View Post
    And it must be pretty bad when it turns the stomach of someone senior in the Army.
    He'd know parallels with Naziism if he saw them.

    Indeed if he hadn't meant what he said then that Yahoo dirtbird wouldn't have had to come out and state he's wrong too.
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