Interesting article by George McGovern, the Democrat who ran against Richard Nixon in 1972. Very interesting take on the last 8 years and he makes a very strong argument for the impeachment of Bush & Cheney.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... ailarticle
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
Every Democrat who comes to the Whitehouse calls for an end to partisan politics and national unity etc etc. I doubt the public has the stomach for impeachment either, even if there is grounds.
I would strongly disagree. The American public were duped by Bush & Cheney into accepting their country's involvement in an illegal war. Many US citizens disagree with that war and would welcome a challenge to both Bush & Cheney over it.Originally Posted by Thac0man
One of the moderators on here really wrecks my head with his/her power mad ego
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Mc Govern is yet another reminder of what America once was.
Intelligent, thoughtful, brave and patriotic.
Not a chance of either of the two now being impeached but nice to see decency get an occassional airing in the National press.
When you see Mc Govern essentially call Nixon a paragon of virtue compared to the current crew you get an idea how far standards have sunk in the US.
Ireland too since the re-emergence of Haughey in the late 70's has sunk into teh abyss interms of political skullduggery, lies and contempt for the electorate.
Knaves like PJ Mara being lauded as strategists when all they are are dodgy spivs using every slick and underhand trick in the book to dupe people into buying cheap tack that they know will fall apart as soon as sold.
US Politics is now an absolute sewer where truth rarely raises its head and trickery and illusion are accepted as part of the game, to the point that if you're not prepared to engage in it, stay the ************************ out (Al Gore could probably walk the presidency this year but understands the depths he would have to plumb in a head to head with the Clintons and rightly or wrongly said no thanks)
The GOP of course are the past masters but the reason why the Democratic establishment are behind Hilary is that they recognise the Clintons are the best equipped on the Dems side to behave in a similar filthy style. As a friend of mine who loves the nags likes to say in such cases. They know the Clintons have "course and distance".
At the end of the day it is sad to see an old man like Mc Govern speaking from the heart that America is going down the pan, and it is. Bush and Cheney however have vastly accelerated the process.
When we see the monsters that China and Russia may eventually become, bullying us in and out of recessions with their control levers on pricing, we will see the full horror of America's demise.
I would love to see Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Wolfowitz Perle .... wearing orange suits being marched to a waterboarding session in Gitmo!
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I was not expressing a personal opinion of preferance. I do not see any democrat in a position to do so, impeaching Bush. Politics is all about compromises, and a Democrat may yet inherit the mess in Iraq. So like it or not, no Democrat is going to 'cut and run' from Iraq, or undermine their own authority in the situation there by having their troops presence deemed to be based on an illegal act. Democrats will have to take the poisen chalice and do the best they can.
It is worth noting that the previous Bush administration lumbered the previous Clinton with Somalia, and Clinton very publicly bottled it. I dont see the next potential Democratic president deviating much from the current practical military path, especially what most americans see the current troops surge as working. Again I am setting aside personal opinions or bias.
What? its 2008 already? I'm still getting over the fact that Bush got re-elected, having gotten over his initial election in 2005. The worst thing is that they aren't even good liars. With an agenda as fierce as theirs, you should at least make sure you can sell it to people to the standard of a used car salesman.
I was watching a few interviews with republican presidential candidates yesterday and they seem so competent compared to Bush. Romney especially has a folksy feel to him without that village idiot vibe that bush gives off. I was shocked at how well he came across on Leno, but thats what good liars do. They convince people that their telling the truth. If I was a loosely informed southern republican I'd probably be voting for him too. (For the record, i'm rooting for McCain on the R side and Obama on the D side).
Bush has set the bar so low and gotten away with it, truly anybody could be president.
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