A retired CIA agent has said a top al-Qaeda suspect was interrogated using a simulated drowning technique but that he believes it was justified.
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Given his admission, should this man and his superiors now face prosecution under international law?
One of the moderators on here really wrecks my head with his/her power mad ego
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No. Fair play I say.Originally Posted by Aindriu
That's complete nonsense. I disagree with you.
I'd like that to be the case but on what basis and through what method? I understood the US has 'covered its bases' to ensure its military and intelligence personnel could not be charged for such crimes.
morryah, use of torture is not 'fair play', it's a violation of human rights. Even if you're a moral consequentialist (end justifies the means), the doubts about evidence obtained through torture and the potential for other countries to 'reinterpret' human rights after the example given by the US should preclude use of such 'techniques'. Personally i wouldn't believe a word of anyone who after a torture session claims to have had a chat with Allah.
And I have serious doubts about this claim:
Are we ever going to hear the details of these intended attacks? He would say that, wouldn't he?The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks
So you think this is acceptable behaviour for a democratic government to engage in, yes?No. Fair play I say.
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Problem is, where would you try him/his superiors?
ICCt is not recognized by USA, China and India so arrest warrants issued for him would be difficult to enforce.
The fact is the USA authorities have used these methods before, they are effective in getting the detained person to tell you what you want to know, this does not mean they are telling you the truth.
If another country, say Iran, were to carry out such treatment of prisioners international sanctions would be applied when the diplomacy had failed, sorry, there is damm all we can do to reduce the incidence of USA maltreatment, especially in Guantanamo or Iraq.
The use of torture has been prohibited by GW Bush but is unlikely to be complied with by his agents.
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From the article:No. Fair play I say.
After doing this to someone enough, they will tell where Saddams WMDs are being held. No matter that they dont exist, a tortured person will tell you anything you want to know. Anything. It doesnt matter what you ask them, they'll tell you anything.Mr Kiriakou told ABC the day after water-boarding was used on Abu Zubaydah, the detainee told his interrogator Allah had visited him in his cell during the night and told him to cooperate.
But of course anyone with half a brain knows this. I am starting to think that the whole torture thing is nothing to do with gathering 'intelligence'. I fear that what we have is simply a reprisal culture. Try to scare the A-rabs enough to make 'em stop.
Which it wont.
Anyway, anyone who supports torture is a supporter of terrorism, plain and simple. So Morryah, how do you feel, supporter of terrorism?
Oh and do you get by with the memory or imagination part of the brain?
If I could mass-sterilise the planet, I would. Seriously.
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If I thought that some Arab had the life of my family in peril I would do far worse to save my family. Make of that what you will, I don't care.So you think this is acceptable behaviour for a democratic government to engage in, yes?No. Fair play I say.
That's complete nonsense. I disagree with you.
Why, do only Arabs do 'tirism' now? I note also that you say 'If I thought'. What if you were wrong? Move onto the next raghead who you thought might have your families life in peril. Keep going until you had killed several people?If I thought that some Arab had the life of my family in peril I would do far worse to save my family. Make of that what you will, I don't care.So you think this is acceptable behaviour for a democratic government to engage in, yes?No. Fair play I say.
If I could mass-sterilise the planet, I would. Seriously.
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Obviuosly this only applies to Arabs in your world view Morryah or lets be honest and substitute Muslim for arab and we get to the root of your cheerleading for torture, that and probably too many "jack ryan" novels in your reading list.If I thought that some Arab had the life of my family in peril I would do far worse to save my family. Make of that what you will, I don't care.
"Obviously" moron, you are far too keen to put words in my mouth.
The question specifically applied to Al Queda so that is how I answered. So get off your high horse.
Because yes, if it was some irish chap from down the road who kidnapped my daughter etc. then the same would apply.
That's complete nonsense. I disagree with you.
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