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    Quote Originally Posted by drummed View Post
    'Appears' is an interesting word. In a country where journalists who speak out against him get murdered appearance's can be deceptive.

    Russia has no functioning free press. What we know is limited.
    And we do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    You doubt that Putin enjoys widespread support?
    Why do you doubt this?

    Because we have no accurate test of public opinion. Obvious really
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    You doubt that Putin enjoys widespread support?
    Why do you doubt this?
    Like Dev, he looked into his own heart!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ribeye View Post
    And we do?
    Relative to Russia? Yes. You can say what you like about the government on this site. Nobody will murder you because of it.
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    There is something rum about Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drummed View Post
    'Appears' is an interesting word. In a country where journalists who speak out against him get murdered appearance's can be deceptive.

    Russia has no functioning free press. What we know is limited.
    That is a fair point that you make. Appearances can be deceptive.

    I've watched several programmes, mainly BBC programmes, in which the Beeb assert that a sizable portion of the Russian population support Putin because "he has restored Russia's international standing and has made that country great again"

    My cousin lived in Moscow under Communism from 1985 and latterly under Democracy.
    The cousin emigrated from Ireland to the USSR.
    The cousins spouses' family were "high up in the Party" during the Communist era, so they enjoyed a relatively good standard of living. The same people prospered in post Communist Russia and they continue to do so today
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    No time at the moment.

    Do you mean it shows Putin is a pillar of democracy?
    Not really, only that he is best choice from what Russia have now
    At least he doesn't afraid to make decisions and take responcibility
    When Russia will have balanced political system with few equal parties, then it can switch do democracy
    But for now it better to stay with democratically elected tsar
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post

    I've watched several programmes, mainly BBC programmes, in which the Beeb assert that a sizable portion of the Russian population support Putin because "he has restored Russia's international standing and has made that country great again"
    There are probably more practical reasons than that.

    The Russian economy hit rock bottom under Yeltsin. People literally starved and froze to death

    Things have improved considerably since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    That is a fair point that you make. Appearances can be deceptive.

    I've watched several programmes, mainly BBC programmes, in which the Beeb assert that a sizable portion of the Russian population support Putin because "he has restored Russia's international standing and has made that country great again"

    My cousin lived in Moscow under Communism from 1985 and latterly under Democracy.
    The cousins spouses' family were "high up in the Party" during the Communist era, so they enjoyed a relatively good standard of living. The same people prospered in post Communist Russia and they continue to do so.
    I would seriously question the idea he has restored Russian standing in the world. He may present it as such internally by controlling the press. From outside Russia it's very debateable. I wouldn't judge Russian standing to be terribly high overall.
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    When the oil runs out they'll be up the creek without a paddle. I'm not seeing any Russian products in the shops? I'm not seeing the Russian Volkswagen?

    They might like to consider what happened Holland when the tulip bulb craze ran out of steam.
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