I always said it and it appears that David Trimble agrees
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... 2FShowFull
"The more I hear the lessons of Northern Ireland compared to the Middle East, the less I am sure these lessons have been learned" he said.
He (Trimble) called on the Middle East Quartet and international community to "stand firm" regarding Hamas ahead of the Annapolis conference next month
Fight terror, support Israel!
What are these lessons the british administration have supposed to have learned by occupying my country?
Sure according to them they never done anything wrong in the first place, and you have to acknowledge all your wrong doings before you can begin to learn from them.
Have they learned not to beat confessions out of innocent people?
Have they learned not to drag thousands of innocent people off to jail?
Have they learned not to tolerate regimes like the sectarian unionist regime that blatently discriminated against catholics for 50 years?
Have they learned not to arm terorrists and collude with them?
Have they learned that their ill trained british army isnt welcome in other peoples country, especially when they murder innocent people and spark of a 30 year conflict?
Have they learned how to defeat terrorists because theres plenty of armed terrorist organisations in NI, but theyre the ones the british armed, tolerated and used.
Have they learned not to feed the public warped one sided news stories and blatent lies?
Have they learned that they dont have any divine right to rule anyones country, or that they are hardly a good example of administrating rule themselves?
What have they learned? theyre making the same mistakes on a larger scale.
The problem is that they will never learn, and what they lack in achievement they make up for in revisionist history and ridiculous british triumphantism and will forever celebrate their murderous failures.
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Read that only a few nights ago - he was quoting Garret Fitzgerald in it. If he is as unreliable in his conclusions in this article as he was in the analysis of Irish politics then it is not worth the paper it is written on
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I disagree with Trimble. It is ironic he says this, considering he himself dropped the demand for prior-decommissioning in favour of parallel decommissioning, leading to him and his party negotiating the GFA with SF. Had he not done so, the later PIRA decommissioning would not have happened. True it took around 10 yrs to happen. But the political-settlement - leaving aside the minor changes inherent in the later St.Andrew's Agreement - were formulated in 1998. Once SF agreed to them, it was only a matter of time before the IRA was put out of business. Likewise, Hamas should be included in the negotiations in the upcoming Peace Conference. Olmert should stop running away from negotiating the fundamental issues - 7 yrs is long enough. The time has come for all elected politicians to respect each others mandates no matter how odious their platform to each. The Israeli govt after all includes members of the Far Right of Israeli politics who advocate "transfer" of Palestinians from the lands they inhabit.
We're talking David Trimble here folks, the person who almost single handedly handed unionism over to Paisley. There's nothing he has to say that I want to hear bar "sorry, I was wrong".
The Mahon Tribunal found Olivia Mitchell to have received an inappropriate payment from Frank Dunlop at the time of the 1992 Election. F.G. Gael has taken no action against her.
The palestinians, need to understand the West if they are ever to gain enough support. Israel, will never leave, it will never be defeated by the arab armies. However, a Palestinian state can exist, if they would just stop blowing people up. Yes, Israel is just as guilty when it comes to violent acts, but support for palestine falls every time an Israeli citizen dies. Diplomacy is the only way.
Israel does not want peace it thrives off the constant chaos it creates in neighbouring arab countries.
Breathtaking stuff !Originally Posted by Cloigeann
Honestly Cloigeann, what would you do if you were in Israels place, surrounded by enemies?
I wouldn't say that.
I'd say it survives because of the constant chaos it creates in neighbouring Arab countries.
Israel's policy towards it's neighbours is a Curate's egg. Were they to lay down their arms tomorrow they wouldn't exist as a state by Friday.
They have thrown up a wall of terror, a wall of fear so great that none of their neighbours will dare cross it, guaranteeing that for one missile entering Israel ten will follow it's path back out. For every one Israeli killed one hundred of those who killed him will see the same fate. And this works to a certain degree. They are still there and their citizens are relatively safe.
So their enemies cannot attack them by conventional means, they use a proxy. They can't shoot missles into Tel Aviv so they send the bombs in strapped to Palestinian's chests. They can't blow up a military base with an Amram so they blow up a checkpoint with an unemployed father of four wrapped in C4.
What would you do in their situation? Attempt to stymie the "cause" or the trouble. And that's just what they are doing. Which is giving their outside enemies all the more to shout about and the whole rotten circle of violence continues.
I think most Israelis would rather not live in that constant state of fear surrounded by that wall of terror. I think most Israelis would rather peace with Palestinians.
Regarding the initial post. No, I don't think it's a fair comparison, but I do think there are many similarities from which we can learn and it would be unwise to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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