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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    Why is the onus on us to prove that Assad did this? There is no other credible alternative other than this being an SAA attack and that being the case it should be up to him to prove that his forces did not carry it out.
    I'll tell you why the onus is on them to prove Assad did this?

    The onus is on them because they have been proven to have lied before when calling for war.
    The onus is on them because what proof that they did provide before the last war was found to be a fabrication.

    And an equitable society demands due process of which the provision of evidence is one part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    Cheeky little bugger with your winks - cm're 'n I'll sort you.
    Sorry but I'm not into gay s&m, nice of you to offer tho...I think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    Here is a quote from some experts on chemical warfare and it's effects, commenting on the same youtube videos.

    "At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators," said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

    "In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms."

    John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said he had not seen the telltale evidence in the eyes of the victims that would be compelling evidence of chemical weapons use.

    "Of the videos that I've seen for the last few hours, none of them show pinpoint pupils... this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents," he said.

    Gwyn Winfield, editor of CBRNe World magazine, which specialises in chemical weapons issues, said the evidence did not suggest that the chemicals used were of the weapons-grade that the Syrian army possesses in its stockpiles.

    "We're not seeing reports that doctors and nurses... are becoming fatalities, so that would suggest that the toxicity of it isn't what we would consider military sarin. It may well be that it is a lower-grade," Winfield told AFP.

    Of course, what do these guys know, William Hague is a career politician cracking off as a teenager to pictures of Maggie, so I'm sure he knows best.
    Great post. Did you know that as a boy Hague used to mimic Churchill. His ambition was to be another Churchill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RasherHash View Post
    Sorry but I'm not into gay s&m, nice of you to offer tho...I think!

    And you have to watch it with these wingnut warmongers. When they say they'll blow you, they mean with explosives.
    They're totally nuts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    Here is a quote from some experts on chemical warfare and it's effects, commenting on the same youtube videos.

    "At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators," said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

    "In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms."

    John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said he had not seen the telltale evidence in the eyes of the victims that would be compelling evidence of chemical weapons use.

    "Of the videos that I've seen for the last few hours, none of them show pinpoint pupils... this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents," he said.

    Gwyn Winfield, editor of CBRNe World magazine, which specialises in chemical weapons issues, said the evidence did not suggest that the chemicals used were of the weapons-grade that the Syrian army possesses in its stockpiles.

    "We're not seeing reports that doctors and nurses... are becoming fatalities, so that would suggest that the toxicity of it isn't what we would consider military sarin. It may well be that it is a lower-grade," Winfield told AFP.

    Of course, what do these guys know, William Hague is a career politician cracking off as a teenager to pictures of Maggie, so I'm sure he knows best.
    This is a thing which gets my goat.

    These w@nkers who've never had to work an honest day in their lives deciding to send one bunch of working class off to massacre innocent people somewhere far away
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    EXCLUSIVE: Witnesses Of Gas Attack Say Saudis Supplied Rebels With Chemical Weapons

    If this is true when can we expect to see cruise missiles in downtown Riyadh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    I'll tell you why the onus is on them to prove Assad did this?

    The onus is on them because they have been proven to have lied before when calling for war.
    The onus is on them because what proof that they did provide before the last war was found to be a fabrication.

    And an equitable society demands due process of which the provision of evidence is one part.
    Stuck, stuck, stuck on Iraq. This is not a matter of domestic law. A judgement must be made by those with responsibility and power. Chemical weapons have been used in an attack that was obviously deliberate and planned beyond that of minor player. However this works out will set out a marker for the rest of the 21st centuary - condiderations of matters Syrian or Islamist are very much secondary here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    Why is the onus on us to prove that Assad did this? There is no other credible alternative other than this being an SAA attack and that being the case it should be up to him to prove that his forces did not carry it out.
    Okay, so I'll accuse you of being a pedophile - the onus is now on you to prove you're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    Stuck, stuck, stuck on Iraq.
    Stuck, stuck, stuck on evidence of liars lying.

    Why do you feel the need to trust known liars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebuchadnezzar View Post
    The USA has not formally presented their case yet. The British report is reliant on undisclosed(thus far) American intel.
    If the UK had the evidence they would have produced it so they could have presented a forceful resolution in the house of commons and been assured by a massive majority vote. Instead they have no evidence and had to present a watered down resolution and will have to go to a second vote before any military action.
    The USA has not formally presented their case yet....they're still fabricating it!
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