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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    Ahhhhhh , apologies ......and not really no
    If somebody kicks you off your land and then shells the hell out of you, the only logical explanation is to fight back. The palestinians were wrong for not voting for Fatah over Hamas but if they appear to be weak, surely they will support the stronger party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    It's high time the EU got tough with Israel, especially on arms sales. The EU-Israel Association agreement should be suspended until the settlements are dismantled. Rightwing parties in Europe have a particular fondness for Israel for religious/pro-American reasons. I am quite rightwing but this is plain wrong. We are sowing the seeds of anti-Westernism in the Islamic world and with that terrorism - including among Muslims in the West. Look at Boston for example. The Irish govts cowardly stance against sanctions is in stark contrast with the policy on South African Apartheid which closely parallels evengs in the Occupied territories.
    Yes Alan Shatter should be forced to resign and we should expel the Israeli ambassador.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Politics matters View Post
    Yes Alan Shatter should be forced to resign and we should expel the Israeli ambassador.
    Why single out Shatter from the entire Irish government?
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    I don't agree Shatter should resign at this stage. He has been too cosy with Israel but you'd expect that for personal reasons. The govt can decide to support measures and if he doesn't agree, noone is stopping him from handing in his notice. Also having a Jewish Cabinet minister shields us from bogus allegations of anti-semitism from the Israel Lobby, which has become increasingly anti-Irish in recent times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fo Real View Post
    Why single out Shatter from the entire Irish government?
    He seems to be a real hardline Zionist, contributed greatly to Irish law though, perhaps he should stick to law. The odd time a debate on the Israeli/palestinian issue comes up, you can count on Alan to provide Zionist rhetoric. And then of course Ireland's decision to remain neutral during WW2, in essence he is saying we should have done more to help the Jews during the Holocaust. He rambles on about this while knowing that the majority of Irish people support De Valera's neutrality stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    If only every country took planning laws as seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Politics matters View Post
    He seems to be a real hardline Zionist, contributed greatly to Irish law though, perhaps he should stick to law. The odd time a debate on the Israeli/palestinian issue comes up, you can count on Alan to provide Zionist rhetoric. And then of course Ireland's decision to remain neutral during WW2, in essence he is saying we should have done more to help the Jews during the Holocaust. He rambles on about this while knowing that the majority of Irish people support De Valera's neutrality stance.
    Sounds like a good ol' fashioned witch hunt against the only Jew in the Dáil. If anybody isn't a staunch critic of Israel they're a hardline Zionist in your view. What about our President's outspoken and unconditional support for Palestine, a supposedly neutral figurehead position. The hypocrite made a career out of denouncing America and Israel as evil to gullible hippies as a youngster. Now he spends his day rubbing shoulders with Wall Street capitalists, begging for foreign investment into Ireland. Oh, and DeValera wasn't neutral. Do I really have to remind you about the signing of Hitler's book of condolences.
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    This is why, Israel have a bad name...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fo Real View Post
    Sounds like a good ol' fashioned witch hunt against the only Jew in the Dáil. If anybody isn't a staunch critic of Israel they're a hardline Zionist in your view. What about our President's outspoken and unconditional support for Palestine, a supposedly neutral figurehead position. The hypocrite made a career out of denouncing America and Israel as evil to gullible hippies. Now he spends his day rubbing shoulders with Wall Street capitalists, begging for foreign investment into Ireland. Oh, and DeValera wasn't neutral. Do I really have to remind you about the signing of Hitler's cook of condolences.
    Well why else does Alan Shatter take issue with Irish neutrality?

    President Higgins held those beliefs long before he held office as you mentioned, I wouldn't take him seriosuly he's a great poet, a populist champagne socialist IMO. The Irish people knew of this when they voted for him, he was asked whether or not he would conduct himself appropriately when meeting foreign leaders, and he said he would regardless of whether he agreed with their policies. or not.

    Of course Dev had to give his condolences to Hitler as he did with Roosevelt. But Alan believes we should have declared war on Germany? How on earth would the free state have been able to defend itself against Luftwaffe aerial bombardment or invasion, Denmark fell in one day, I doubt we would have lasted any longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    Israel evicts entire Palestinian village for army exercise - Middle East News | Latest News Headlines | The Irish Times - Mon, Apr 29, 2013

    "Israeli authorities razed two family homes in the East Jerusalem neighbourhood of al-Tur this morning, displacing 18 Palestinians who failed to acquire elusive building permits, local officials said.
    The army also demolished a well near a Palestinian refugee camp south of the city of Hebron and cleared an agricultural area of dozens of olive trees east of Bethlehem, according to Palestinian government media. Israeli officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment."


    The racist ethnic cleansing , part of the fascist dream of eretz Israel ,and its land grabbing lebensraum and other fascist overtones continues unabated ..........with tacit EU support sadly ........
    Irish Times is officially Ireland's Völkischer Beobachter. I do mourn the Ireland that was; it's been taken over by the neo-Nazis and their sick and twisted lies. How the heck can anyone come to this pile of feces conclusion when the Jewish state is shrinking and everyone is on the side of the "Palestinians" in Europe (who actually do have a Nazi-like philosophy, as does the majority of Islamic nations around the Levant), never mind the UN?

    Stop lying. At the very least. And recover a sense of Irishness instead of being a tool for the Germans.
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