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    Quote Originally Posted by Lempo View Post
    I do think some Finns sent to New Sweden colony were convicts deported there under the heading of indentured servitude. One year the king warmly invites you to Sweden to do your slash-and-burn farming magic and the next he throws you into a boat to the colonies for doing exactly that.

    Not meaning to bitch about any perceived wrongdoings but just to say that sometimes the debt getting you into indenture was of vague and involuntary kind.
    Undoubtedly there was many unscrupulous "employers" who cooked the books to squeeze another 5 years out of someone, but the point was just that there is a difference between slavery and indentured servitude. England, Holland and Germany was the source for so many indentured servant children to the US (mostly given into the life by their parents hoping they'd be able to make new life) in the early stages of the country and it's ironic to see that many of them who "made it" there ended up running huge plantations with black slaves.

    EDIT: Just came to think of the American version of WDYTYA and the episode with the singer Reba McEntire, lots of about indentured servitude of one of her ancestors in that. Worth watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    indentured servants usually were granted freedom after a period, i.e. 20 years or so usually, once they repaid the "debt". It was common practice in the early settlement of the US. Poor people put their kids into indentured servitude hoping they'd fare better than they would if they stayed at home in the old world.
    Your hero Cromwell was a genocidal slave trader. You will admit that at least?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mido View Post
    The great Jim Fahy of RTE and Michael D did a number of programmes on Montserrat, as did radharc, describing it as the other emerald isle

    The Black Irish of Montserrat - Irish accents in the Caribbean - YouTube

    The Black Irish - RTÉ Archives

    Retirement of Jim Fahy: the face and voice of The West of Ireland
    I hadn't seen the full Radharc film.

    I'd tracked Michael D Higgin's film down here:
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    ... In 1986 Michael D. Higgins wrote and presented The Other Emerald Isle for Channel 4, which looks at the 'black Irish' of Montserrat and the connections between the island and Ireland. It's quite an artefact in itself and the reflections of Montserratians towards the end are very interesting.

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    Donald Akenson - Wikipedia If he's a revisionist to anything, I suppose it's: The Influence Of The Irish In Montserrat, JOHN C. MESSENGER, Caribbean Quarterly, Vol. 13, No. 2 (June 1967).

    Black Irish - Irish American News -- notes on *conflicting* accounts of slavery, servitude and varieties of Irish.
    Culture of Montserrat - history, people, clothing, beliefs, food, customs, family, social, marriage -- notes indicating the extent of Irish influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    Undoubtedly there was many unscrupulous "employers" who cooked the books to squeeze another 5 years out of someone, but the point was just that there is a difference between slavery and indentured servitude. England, Holland and Germany was the source for so many indentured servant children to the US (mostly given into the life by their parents hoping they'd be able to make new life) in the early stages of the country and it's ironic to see that many of them who "made it" there ended up running huge plantations with black slaves.

    EDIT: Just came to think of the American version of WDYTYA and the episode with the singer Reba McEntire, lots of about indentured servitude of one of her ancestors in that. Worth watching.
    How so? If their being sold into bondage was justified, why not others?
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    The Irish DNA Atlas Project is an exciting and very important collaborative research project undertaken by the Genealogical Society of Ireland and Dr. Gianpiero Cavalleri of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland.

    The Project was launched at the ‘Back To Our Past’ exhibition in the RDS, Dublin, in October 2011 and received considerable coverage in the media. The main objectives of the project are to (1) to further our knowledge of the population history of Ireland and (2) to help us understand how genes influence health in Ireland.

    Participants are sought from across the island of Ireland and, indeed, from overseas who can trace each of their eight great-grandparents to the same general area of Ireland to present a Birth Brief (Pedigree Chart) and to provide a DNA sample (kit provided) for analysis.
    Irish DNA Atlas Project | Genealogical Society of Ireland
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