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    Quote Originally Posted by yanshuf View Post
    I can tell you that the Likkud platform of 2008 states that the Likkud is ready to concessions for peace.
    Really ? Did they remove the bits where they commit Israel to never allowing a Palestinian State to exist so long as they are in control? Or never disbanding settlement ? can you show us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by And So I Said View Post
    Maybe I speak from ignorance - but in what way were South Africa and Israel allies....
    Apartheid South Africa and Israel both needed allies. Both saw themselves surrounded by hostile sub humans so they co-operated on a range of military developments, most notably their nuclear bomb projects but also special forces and a range of military hardware. South Africa subsequently stopped its programmes but Israel continues to plough ahead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonsai Experiment View Post
    Really ? Did they remove the bits where they commit Israel to never allowing a Palestinian State to exist so long as they are in control? Or never disbanding settlement ? can you show us?

    I didn't find any English version, but I can give you the link to the pdf:

    http://www.idi.org.il/elections_and_...likud%2018.pdf

    And I'll give you a translation of what is written there in an unequivocal way:

    הליכוד מוכן לויתורים תמורת שלום, ויתורים דוגמת זה שעשה מנחם בגין בזמן הסכם השלום עם נשיא, אנואר סאדאת -ויתור תחת הסדר שלום אמיתי ואמין. רק באמצעות הסדרים כאלה, השומרים על ישראל בטוחה,נוכל לקדם את השלום עם שכנינו.
    The Likkud is ready to concessions for peace, concessions like those Menachem Begin did during the peace agreement with the Egyptian president, Aanwar Sadat - a concession under a real and reliable peace arrangement. Only with such arrangements that would keep Israel safe, can we promote peace with our neighbours. (page 6)


    לכשיגיע הזמן למשא ומתן סופי למען שלום הליכוד יציג קווים אדומים ברורים
    Wwhen time for final agreements for peace come the Likkud would display clear red lines. (page 7)

    That's the main ideas in the Likkud platform of 2008 regarding the peace negotiations with the PA or any other Arab entities.

    It does not reject not negotiations nor concessions.

    Hamas though does, and speak about violently destroying the Zzionist entity and killing Jews. But that's your problem to cope with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yanshuf View Post

    Hamas though does, and speak about violently destroying the Zzionist entity and killing Jews. But that's your problem to cope with.
    Yet, in the past they have agreed to ceasefire with Israel to allow for the Peace process and done prisoner exchanges and only Israel has broken the ceasefire by killing leaders of Hamas. Explain to us, why a group bend on destroying Israel, still deals with Israel or the other way round.
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    Freedom Flotilla Ship the Estelle is due to arrive in Gaza in the coming days , flying under a Swedish Flag it serves to remind us that the illegal siege is still in place as a form of collective punishment against one and a half million impoverished citizens of the Gaza Strip. The Israeli regime have made noises that they intend to attack it, as they have dome to previous humanitarian efforts to Gaza.





    http://www.gazaark.org/category/follow-the-estelle/
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    Aanything you want to say regarding the comparison Likkud Hamas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yanshuf View Post
    Aanything you want to say regarding the comparison Likkud Hamas?

    Anything other than they both have political charters that seem to commit them to never recognising the right of each other state to exist ?

    ye.. Hamas seem more honest than Likkud.
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    'Estelle' activist: We were tasered - Israel News, Ynetnews

    Aid ship attacked on the way to Gaza. Activists are tasered and Humanitarian aid is stolen by occupation regime. Business as usual for Israel and the Gaza blockade of 1.5million people .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonsai Experiment View Post

    United Nations Secretary General warned Israel on Monday that keeping its long-standing blockade of Gaza would only condemn the area's people to lasting poverty and play into the hands of extremists in the Middle East.

    Interesting position from the UN head. However that he is insincere is very apparent. Gaza's problems would be solved if Egypt fully opened the Rafah crossing. If Moon were serious he would first have tried to organise an Egypt/Isreal summit, to arrange better Egyptian security deployment in Sinai by amending the terms of the ceasefire between the two countries. It is under the agreement that Egypt is allowed only limited forces in the Sinai. But no sign of that.

    He could however also call for a UN security arrangement on the Egyptian/Gaza border. Would that even require Isreali agreement? But all Moon has given is a lazy soundbite, and anyone who actually gives a toss about Gaza should see that for exactly what it is.

    If it has any serious aspect to it at all, it is maybe this; what will Isreal get in return for taking this symbolic, but actually meaningless slap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonsai Experiment View Post
    Freedom Flotilla Ship the Estelle is due to arrive in Gaza in the coming days , flying under a Swedish Flag it serves to remind us that the illegal siege is still in place as a form of collective punishment against one and a half million impoverished citizens of the Gaza Strip. The Israeli regime have made noises that they intend to attack it, as they have dome to previous humanitarian efforts to Gaza.





    Follow the Estelle | Gaza's Ark


    The Estelle contained bathing suits, a few books, 2 wheelchairs and cement.

    Mind you, that was more than the Irish boat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It's a good job for the Gazans that Israel is actually sending in food in a covert manner.

    When are their Arab brothers going to get the finger out?

    They can't eat rockets and guns.................
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