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    Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran

    Here we go again....

    American Warmonger, Dick Cheney has finally pushed Mass-Killer, George W. to begin the process of starting another fierce conflict - only this time in Iran

    The balance in the internal White House debate over Iran has shifted back in favour of military action before President George Bush leaves office in 18 months, the Guardian has learned.

    The shift follows an internal review involving the White House, the Pentagon and the state department over the last month. Although the Bush administration is in deep trouble over Iraq, it remains focused on Iran. A well-placed source in Washington said: "Bush is not going to leave office with Iran still in limbo."

    The White House claims that Iran, whose influence in the Middle East has increased significantly over the last six years, is intent on building a nuclear weapon and is arming insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The vice-president, Dick Cheney, has long favoured upping the threat of military action against Iran. He is being resisted by the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and the defence secretary, Robert Gates.

    Last year Mr Bush came down in favour of Ms Rice, who along with Britain, France and Germany has been putting a diplomatic squeeze on Iran. But at a meeting of the White House, Pentagon and state department last month, Mr Cheney expressed frustration at the lack of progress and Mr Bush sided with him. "The balance has tilted. There is cause for concern," the source said this week.

    Nick Burns, the undersecretary of state responsible for Iran and a career diplomat who is one of the main advocates of negotiation, told the meeting it was likely that diplomatic manoeuvring would still be continuing in January 2009. That assessment went down badly with Mr Cheney and Mr Bush.

    "Cheney has limited capital left, but if he wanted to use all his capital on this one issue, he could still have an impact," said Patrick Cronin, the director of studies at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

    The Washington source said Mr Bush and Mr Cheney did not trust any potential successors in the White House, Republican or Democratic, to deal with Iran decisively. They are also reluctant for Israel to carry out any strikes because the US would get the blame in the region anyway.

    "The red line is not in Iran. The red line is in Israel. If Israel is adamant it will attack, the US will have to take decisive action," Mr Cronin said. "The choices are: tell Israel no, let Israel do the job, or do the job yourself."

    Almost half of the US's 277 warships are stationed close to Iran, including two aircraft carrier groups. The aircraft carrier USS Enterprise left Virginia last week for the Gulf. A Pentagon spokesman said it was to replace the USS Nimitz and there would be no overlap that would mean three carriers in Gulf at the same time.

    No decision on military action is expected until next year. In the meantime, the state department will continue to pursue the diplomatic route.

    Sporadic talks are under way between the EU foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, and Iran's top nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, on the possibility of a freeze in Iran's uranium enrichment programme. Tehran has so far refused to contemplate a freeze, but has provisionally agreed to another round of talks at the end of the month.

    The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, has said that there are signs of Iran slowing down work on the enrichment plant it is building in Natanz. Negotiations took place in Tehran last week between Iranian officials and the IAEA, which is seeking a full accounting of Iran's nuclear activities before Tehran disclosed its enrichment programme in 2003. The agency's deputy director general, Olli Heinonen, said two days of talks had produced "good results" and would continue.

    At the UN, the US, Britain and France are trying to secure agreement from other security council members for a new round of sanctions against Iran. The US is pushing for economic sanctions that would include a freeze on the international dealings of another Iranian bank and a mega-engineering firm owned by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Russia and China are resisting tougher measures.

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    Are we now heading for another unjustified/illegal and terrible war?

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    For feck sake. When you just start thinking the Iran situation was getting better, this happends.
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    Well if the Americans aren't seen to be sabre-rattling, Isreal will take matters into their own hands, and they don't f**k around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirenua
    Well if the Americans aren't seen to be sabre-rattling, Isreal will take matters into their own hands, and they don't f**k around.
    The Zionist faction ( ) within the Israeli Government are way too busy killing Palestianians to worry about Iran.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirenua
    Well if the Americans aren't seen to be sabre-rattling, Isreal will take matters into their own hands, and they don't f**k around.
    Israel are too busy protecting themselves from agressive militant Arabs closer to home to worry about Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Collective.
    For feck sake. When you just start thinking the Iran situation was getting better, this happends.
    I know, the American Regime just can't help themselves; can they?

    Maybe, Bertie will allow them to continue using Shannon; after all they need all the help they can get....

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    If they go ahead with this Bush will have wrecked his party's chances in 08 which ironically may pave the way for an end to Bush's "Tenth Crusade".

    However there's no getting away from the fact that such a war would be immoral, illegal and a contravention of international-law. If it happens I for one will condemn it as another example of Christian fundies in the US dictating the foreign-policy of the US administration. They are every bit as dangerous to world peace as is Islamic extremism. I don't know if the Democrats in Congress would be prepared for yet another Iraq-style nightmare. On the one hand the Zionists dominate that party too but on the other, supporting a war in Iran would likely ruin their credibility as the anti-war party in 2008. The reason this is relevant is the US War Powers Act which gives Congress (if the law is constitutional which is disputed) the power to veto long-term troop deployments.

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    Re: Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Conuil

    Are we now heading for another unjustified/illegal and terrible war?
    What if the UN sanctioned it?

    And would it really be unjustified?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster
    Israel are too busy protecting themselves from agressive militant Arabs closer to home to worry about Iran.
    And who do you think is funding those agressive militant Arabs?
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    Re: Cheney pushes Bush to act on Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by geraghd
    Quote Originally Posted by Conuil

    Are we now heading for another unjustified/illegal and terrible war?
    What if the UN sanctioned it?

    And would it really be unjustified?
    I doubt that the UN would ever sanction it. It would definitely be unjustified. The Iranian Prime Minister may be an arrogant little tw*t but he certainly isn't completely stupid. He knows that the Saudis do not approve of his uranium enrichment programme. He will push as far as he can in the wonderful game of brinkmanship but will pull back at the last minute IMHO - just like Kruschev in the Cuban missile saga.
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