Iran refuses IAEA inspection of suspect nuclear site

[Oblivion.]

IAEA Says Iran Talks Fail on Denied Request - Bloomberg

Then it's war.

[james5001]

Time for the US and Britain to get their act together and bomb those nuclear facilities. Hope the ayatollah is dragged through the streets.

Ah yes, you have arrived on the scene again. You're great for the soundbites but when someone starts criticizing some of your ridiculous opinions, you are not heard of again.

[Kommunist]

''It is not Russian military power which is threatening us, it is Russian political power"- George Kennan

Interesting quote, very influential chap back in the late 40s and early 50s.

[james5001]

Interesting quote, very influential chap back in the late 40s and early 50s.

He was. It backs up the point that theSoviet Union was never really a physical threat at the beginning.
I also believe that this isn't off topic because what we are talking about here is very similar. Iran isn't a real military threat, it is apolitical threat.

[Kommunist]

Yeah, he was right actually. We went through him briefly in history recently, anyway.

I don't think Iran is a political threat either to be honest, they only became a threat when the US started leading the crusade against them, the fact that Iran hasn't broken is the only threat to the US currently.

[SAT]

See that's demonstrably untrue. You can say that you don't think it's right that anyone can force them to comply, but as Iraq pretty clearly showed, it's perfectly possible to force people do what you want. They signed up to the agreement, if they want to unsign themselves then they should do that and let people draw what conclusions they want from such a move. Otherwise, you let the team in.

The NPT Iran signed does not give the inspectors permission to go on fishing expeditions. They only have authority to inspect declared nuclear sites. There is an additional protocol which would give the inspectors greater powers but Iran has not signed this, or to be precise, hasn't ratified it.

I would imagine Irans concern is if they open up all of their military sites to the IAEA inspectors, there is no doubt, the information re defences, construction etc will be in the hands of US and Israeli intelligence within minutes. This information would then be used to aid the forthcoming attack on Iran. It is important to bear in mind, the US do not claim Iran has a nuclear weapons program, and have stated so publicly. What they are saying, is that Iran might develop one in the future, and so they do not want them to have a knowledge of nuclear science. Once again a compliant media are portraying Iran's actions as if it were a breach of the NPT: it is not, and no country in the world, especially the US and Israel would allow that sort of unfettered access to their military bases.

With demands such as that an attack seems inevitable, and so Iran would be pretty foolish to show them where their conventional weapons - missiles etc are manufactured and stored.

[SAT]

Are American sites inspected?

No, though there was talk of allowing the Russians limited access.

Tentative Inspection Program Would Allow Russia to Visit U.S. Nuclear Sites

Published October 13, 2009 | FOXNews.com

Russia and the United States have tentatively agreed to a weapons inspection program that would allow Russians to visit nuclear sites in America to count missiles and warheads.

The plan, which Fox News has learned was agreed to in principle during negotiations, would constitute the most intrusive weapons inspection program the U.S. has ever accepted.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who met with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said publicly Tuesday that the two nations have made "considerable" progress toward reaching agreement on a new strategic arms treaty.

Read more: Tentative Inspection Program Would Allow Russia To Visit U.S. Nuclear Sites | Fox News

[SAT]

Iran possesses all these qualifications. Treaties are binding and made between states. Iran is a state and has signed and ratified this treaty. Therefore it binds the state of Iran. Its form of government doesn't matter, only that it has one (with authority).

Iran has not said, or intimated, that it will walk away from the NPT agreement. However, they do have a right to do so if they so wish. But while on the subject of breaking treaties, it is of interest that, that paragon of virtue, the US, has had no problem in unilaterally walking away from treaties it has signed, such as the 1972 – Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty aka ABM Treaty which the US unilaterally withdrew from in 2002. So what do you think their punishment should be? Sanctions? A few cruise missile strikes?

[Mr Aphorisms]

Israel has not signed the NNPT nor have they said they will wipe anyone out. Iran are obliged to accept IAEA inspectors under the NNPT which they are not doing. They are refusing the inspectors entry to a facility where it is suspected that they are producing weapons grade uranium. Israel cannot wait until the unhinged loons in Tehran parade their nuclear warheads in Tehran.

They signed the NNPT and now they are breaking it. They have threatened Israel which rightly will not take the threats lying down. Iran's own fault. If they have nothing to hide why are they hiding?

And a massive sense of relief as Mr Aphorisms recovers from a near heart attack reading such a biased and lazy, drivel infested post.. Take notes kids. Word of the day: Propaganda, with a capital P.

Israel has not signed the NNPT nor have they said they will wipe anyone out.

Two things from this:

1: Israel doesn't want to sign the NNPT, but wants everyone else to sign it. Where is the logic in that?

2: The implication by what you said about wiping anyone out is the pseudo-quote attributed to Ahmadinejad that promotes his intention to wipe Israel off the map by force.

Ahmadinejad didn't actually say it, he was quoting the Ayatollah.
The Ayatollah said that Israel must disappear from the face of the map, just as the Soviet Union did.

Quotes from Ahmadinejad have been similar. Israel must disappear from the "geographical", etc, etc, etc. But no where, not once did himself or Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the map, at all. No talking of killing Jews either. Why promote your mad lies?

They have threatened Israel which rightly will not take the threats lying down. Iran's own fault.

You really have your head under the sand, have't you? Israel is blowing up Nuclear scientists in Iran and funding Islamic fundamentalists in Iran to disrupt the Iranian system. Yet, there has been no retaliation. A U.S predator drone was shot down in Iran, no retaliation. Sanctions are being put on Iran, no act of war retaliation.

Not to mention former Mossad and current heads saying war Iran would be to the detriment of Israel and most of their populace being against it.

If anyone is looking for a war though, it is Israeli government.

If they have nothing to hide why are they hiding?

It is funny how you people love to talk about international law and how Iran defies it. Yet when Reagan was condemned by the World Court and ordered to pay reparations to Nicaragua, the Americans laugh and you people don't scream at all. Why is that? Why are Muslim countries held to these laws so vigorously but the U.S, Israel and Britain are not?

"When they do it, it's terrorism. When we do it, it's counter terrorism." Noam Chomsky

[Nebuchadnezzar]

And a massive sense of relief as Mr Aphorisms recovers from a near heart attack reading such a biased and lazy, drivel infested post.. Take notes kids. Word of the day: Propaganda, with a capital P.



Two things from this:

1: Israel doesn't want to sign the NNPT, but wants everyone else to sign it. Where is the logic in that?

2: The implication by what you said about wiping anyone out is the pseudo-quote attributed to Ahmadinejad that promotes his intention to wipe Israel off the map by force.

Ahmadinejad didn't actually say it, he was quoting the Ayatollah.
The Ayatollah said that Israel must disappear from the face of the map, just as the Soviet Union did.

Quotes from Ahmadinejad have been similar. Israel must disappear from the "geographical", etc, etc, etc. But no where, not once did himself or Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the map, at all. No talking of killing Jews either. Why promote your mad lies?



You really have your head under the sand, have't you? Israel is blowing up Nuclear scientists in Iran and funding Islamic fundamentalists in Iran to disrupt the Iranian system. Yet, there has been no retaliation. A U.S predator drone was shot down in Iran, no retaliation. Sanctions are being put on Iran, no act of war retaliation.

Not to mention former Mossad and current heads saying war Iran would be to the detriment of Israel and most of their populace being against it.

If anyone is looking for a war though, it is Israeli government.



It is funny how you people love to talk about international law and how Iran defies it. Yet when Reagan was condemned by the World Court and ordered to pay reparations to Nicaragua, the Americans laugh and you people don't scream at all. Why is that? Why are Muslim countries held to these laws so vigorously but the U.S, Israel and Britain are not?

"When they do it, it's terrorism. When we do it, it's counter terrorism." Noam Chomsky

The debate over what exactly Ahmadinejad said at that World Without Zionism Conference in 2006 and the translation of it has been long trashed out however the slogan from this years revolution celebrations seem to be a close paraphrasing of the infamous comments -

from Ahmadinejad's 2006 speech -

"بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود"

- this has been variously translated as "Israel must be wiped off the face of the Earth"or "the Zionist entity should be removed from the pages of history" - a pretty semantic argument, I think the meaning is obvious - but in anycase compare this with the slogan on the banner (complete with helpful english translation) -



"Israel must be wiped out of the scene" The Persian is not an exact quote of Ahmadinejads words - there is an extra word to the right of the line - but it seems to be remarkably close. Was it intended as a deliberate paraphrase? Or perhaps it was Khomeini's original phrase - which Ahmadinejad didn't just "quote", he reiterated it and reinvoked it as a national objective.