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    Quote Originally Posted by Kommunist View Post
    I believe I can answer your question. America is the one pointing the longest finger at Iran and citing crimes, so the comparison was given as to what does the USA commit on it's territory that could also be seen as unjust and undemocratic.

    Secondly, Saudi Arabia is an ally of the USA - But it's also a dictatorship and as far as I know as many violations of human rights as Iran. So the point being made that whilst the USA targets enemies and scapegoats them for the whole world, it also funds and supports the exact same sort of regimes in the same part of the world, which is a complete hypocrisy on foreign policy.

    That's how I personally view it.
    No, not America, but me. I am neither an American nor a Saudi and I made the allegations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristodemus View Post
    No, not America, but me. I am neither an American nor a Saudi and I made the allegations.
    So is the United States Government, and that's the point I am making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kommunist View Post
    By the way, to answer absolutely all four points you have made, I have only one.

    The patriot act.
    Offering up the Patriot Act (much of which has to be regarded as distasteful) as an example of supposed equivalence between life in Iran and the US, or accusing the US govt. of hypocrisy on Iran because it has passed this act isn't a morally or intellectually serious position.
    All generalisations are false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    Offering up the Patriot Act (much of which has to be regarded as distasteful) as an example of supposed equivalence between life in Iran and the US, or accusing the US govt. of hypocrisy on Iran because it has passed this act isn't a morally or intellectually serious position.
    EPIC - USA PATRIOT Act (H.R. 3162)

    This is one of the most undemocratic, one of the most unconstitutional and hypocritical acts to have ever passed into existence at the hands of the US government and under that idiot Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Doyle View Post
    He's also never considered that maybe the majority of Iranians want it that way.
    Well, if that was indeed the case, why don't they test it in an open and fair election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kommunist View Post
    EPIC - USA PATRIOT Act (H.R. 3162)

    This is one of the most undemocratic, one of the most unconstitutional and hypocritical acts to have ever passed into existence at the hands of the US government and under that idiot Bush.
    America doesn't come to any issue regarding foreign affairs with clean hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kommunist View Post
    EPIC - USA PATRIOT Act (H.R. 3162)

    This is one of the most undemocratic, one of the most unconstitutional and hypocritical acts to have ever passed into existence at the hands of the US government and under that idiot Bush.
    As bad as the lies are about Iran and as bad as the Patriot Act, we must not get carried away. Iran is an evil theocracy. You can blame America for that, going back to 1953, but we really can't get carried away. The liberties in the states haven't been taken away all together. Lookin' at e mails or wiretapping a phone is not at all tantamount as having the revolutionary guards throw your daughter in jail(if she's lucky) for wearing a miniskirt or stoning someone for homosexual behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riadach View Post
    Well, if that was indeed the case, why don't they test it in an open and fair election?

    That's a matter for the Iranians to resolve themselves, not the US or any one else if indeed it is an issue that needs resolving at all. The high participation rate in the election process the Iranians have in place already indicates to me that most Iranians are satisfied that it meets their needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Doyle View Post
    That's a matter for the Iranians to resolve themselves, not the US or any one else.
    Not quite a fair fight if one side steals the wealth of the nation and uses it to buy arms to suppress the rest of the population

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Doyle View Post
    That's a matter for the Iranians to resolve themselves, not the US or any one else if indeed it is an issue that needs resolving at all. The high participation rate in the election process the Iranians have in place already indicates to me that most Iranians are satisfied that it meets their needs.
    And the one's that are not satisfied will be beaten up, locked up, or tortured to death.

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