Holocaust is the primary way Israel defines itself

[Kommunist]

Dear Lord. Are you just plain stupid or are you on drugs?

And perhaps people don't "remember" so much owing to what followed in the USSR and Mao's China. Here:

So as bad as Hitler was in relation to the Russians, and as bad as the Imperial Japanese Army was in relation to the Chinese, both pale in comparison to what the Sovs and Chicomms did to their own people. Perhaps if Cael were still here your time would be better spent pounding that reality home to him.

Edited to add: Israel has done nothing to anyone that even begins to approximate what the Sovs did to their own people and what the Chicomms did to their own people.

I think the only stupid one here is you, if you can't draw the simple comparison of Nazi Germany killing six million to the twenty in the Soviet Union and the sixty in Mao's China then you're not even worth these two lines.

[Kommunist]

The sixty million that died in China did so at the hands of other Chinese some of whom continue to hold seats in the Chinese communist party today and the same goes for the Soviet Union now Russia. Someone can hardly us their own acts of murder for cover.

So let's overlook it and not discuss it, is that what you're saying?

[Bonsai Experiment]

Oh look who would have thunk it... Syria is like Auchwitz.

West should strike Syria - Israel Opinion, Ynetnews

[Trampas]

Holocaust is the primary way Israel defines itself


No it isn't. The first zionist congress preceded the holocaust by more than 40 years.

[Kommunist]

Holocaust is the primary way Israel defines itself


No it isn't. The first zionist congress preceded the holocaust by more than 40 years.

I don't think that's what the statement of this thread means. I believe that he's edging at the fact that 99% of foreign policy of Israel is the self victimisation and blatant abuse of the victims of the holocaust and that any action against Israel is perceived and put across as an action against those whom are jewish all over the world - which is stupid. Just because I think the Irish government are a bunch of spineless populist idiots doesn't mean I hate the entire nation and every single person in it.

[yobosayo]

I think the only stupid one here is you, if you can't draw the simple comparison of Nazi Germany killing six million to the twenty in the Soviet Union and the sixty in Mao's China then you're not even worth these two lines.

You're off by about 7,500,000:



And note the distinction, to wit, genocide versus democide. As you can see, only the Jews, Gypsies and Slavs, and homosexuals, were singled out for extermination on the basis of their group status. And we know that not only by what the Nazis said and wrote, one can also compare the total killed to total population and kinda get the idea that some were intending to kill a whole group of humans because they were that group of humans, whereas with others, not so much.

Lastly re the Nazis, when I said that the Nazis didn't compare with the Sovs and Chicomms, that statement is based on two considerations: (1) absolute number of killed and (2) reason for being killed (more than a few Russians, Poles, etc., were killed as reprisals, i.e., rule was, for every 1 Nazi killed by partisans, 100 locals were to be killed), and so I am making the moral judgment that those killed by your communist ideological kith and kin (careful there with your screen name and avatar) were not out there shooting communist cadre so no reprisal type deaths. They were simply Russian and Chinese peasants, who wanted to live the way Russian and Chinese had lived for hundreds of years. If you wish look to at the matter in other terms, feel free, since one can make the argument that the Nazis killed proportionally more persons under their jurisdiction than did either the Sovs or the Chicomms.

I otherwise already posted re the dead in China owing to Japanese democide and the number isn't even close to 60 million. Take that zero out and you're about there.

[Kommunist]

You're off by about 7,500,000:



And note the distinction, to wit, genocide versus democide. As you can see, only the Jews, Gypsies and Slavs, and homosexuals, were singled out for extermination on the basis of their group status. And we know that not only by what the Nazis said and wrote, one can also compare the total killed to total population and kinda get the idea that some were intending to kill a whole group of humans because they were that group of humans, whereas with others, not so much.

Lastly re the Nazis, when I said that the Nazis didn't compare with the Sovs and Chicomms, that statement is based on two considerations: (1) absolute number of killed and (2) reason for being killed (more than a few Russians, Poles, etc., were killed as reprisals, i.e., rule was, for every 1 Nazi killed by partisans, 100 locals were to be killed), and so I am making the moral judgment that those killed by your communist ideological kith and kin (careful there with your screen name and avatar) were not out there shooting communist cadre so no reprisal type deaths. They were simply Russian and Chinese peasants, who wanted to live the way Russian and Chinese had lived for hundreds of years. If you wish look to at the matter in other terms, feel free, since one can make the argument that the Nazis killed proportionally more persons under their jurisdiction than did either the Sovs or the Chicomms.

I otherwise already posted re the dead in China owing to Japanese democide and the number isn't even close to 60 million. Take that zero out and you're about there.

You completely took my quote out of context. The comparison I am making is the undistinguished act of genocide committed by both states, I don't even get why you are bringing the Japanese Imperial army into this when that's not at all what I am talking about.
The Great Leap forward and the period under Mao personally that had little to do with the Japanese Imperial Army is my point of reference.

Are you actually arguing that the Nazi's committed more murders than the Soviet regime and the Chinese Communist regime? I'm not even going to bother. The point you have probably overlooked in a bid to prove some irrelevant point is that the Holocaust as an event and a series of events has, and is over-hyped by American-Jewish folk, especially those involved with Hollywood. We covered this in sociology roughly three months ago - The carrier group, i.e those who remember and pass down the information of what has happened and collectively experience the trauma went in huge numbers to the United States of America.

Whilst the Russian/Chinese atrocities remained silent due to the fact that the government wasn't going to start highlighting anything about gulags or executions.

Key point : I don't have that much knowledge and admittedly have never studied Chinese communism nor the Japanese Imperial Army, only vaguely read of Mao and the Great Leap Forward in the book "Comrades - Robert Service" where the estimated number of casualties was given, sixty million.

To summarize my point and conclude;

By this time many people know what has happened in both the Soviet Union, and China during the industrial revolution yet the Holocaust holds precedence as a tragedy against the jewish population. Israel takes full advantage and puts the state and the people across as permanently scarred victims of something that has happened almost 75 years ago, the explanation of their ultra-aggressive foreign policy and stance on pre-emptive striking is not saved by the fact that "some of their people went through the holocaust", and at times to me personally it only looks like an excuse to continue acting completely out of order.

[SAT]

Dear Lord. Are you just plain stupid or are you on drugs?

Given your complete lack of comprehension of everything posted, I presume this is a self-question. So, I am curious. Which is it?? Stupid or drugs.

My vote is for 'stupid'

[eyelight]

Given your complete lack of comprehension of everything posted, I presume this is a self-question. So, I am curious. Which is it?? Stupid or drugs.

My vote is for 'stupid'

'Deluded' would probably be more accurate.