2,000 dead in Homs?

[Andy4571]

Can you direct me to them as I seem to have missed them?

Two from only a few hours earlier today

Young Russians; "Syria are our allies and we won't be bullied by the West"

Young Russians; "Syria are our allies and we won't be bullied by the West"

You have not answered my last point..

Note; even prior to these talks beginning Assad has ALREADY promised a referendum on a new constitution in March, leading to multi-party elections later this year. So what exactly are the rebels demanding that is not already on offer??

Maybe to stop murdering protesters in the meantime, which is what the army has been doing from the start of the uprising. A timetable for these events. Will they be allowed to help in drafting new constitution, will all political parties now be allowed, and not banned like currently. Will he sign declaration saying elections will be allowed to be monitored by UN monitors ( from many countries, not just Russia and China ) etc....

[SAT]

Are you not the poster who says like sheesh the Holocaust was like aaaaaaages ago and anyway loadsa people died in that war anyway so it was no biggie? I appreciate that was a few decades ago, and you are being perhaps more 'tolerant of' or 'glib about' rather than 'championing', but still not sure about the consistency in all of this...

No you are definitely confusing me with somebody else (maybe your imaginery friend??) I never said the holocaust was no biggie though I do agree it should be kept in perspective. Millions of non-Jews lost their lives in the Nazi concentration camps and it does seem at times their deaths are largely ignored, sitting in the shadow of the Jewish holocaust, as they are. Perhaps that is because their surviving relatives didn't make an industry around it to justify future atrocities by their descendants.

[NewGoldDream]

Perhaps that is because their surviving relatives didn't make an industry around it to justify future atrocities by their descendants.

There you go again, being glib and dismissive. Sure I guess they looked in their crystal balls and orchestrated the whole 'industry'.

Let me spell it out for you as you are evidently a little slow. I am against ALL killing on all sides...

It seems to me that you are against killing a few Palestinians...but not soooooo much a few million Jews.

Was it you who used the phrase 'sick puppy'?

There are few things more enjoyable here than seeing someone dish it out and not be aware that they are the prime culprits.

[Kommunist]

No you are definitely confusing me with somebody else (maybe your imaginery friend??) I never said the holocaust was no biggie though I do agree it should be kept in perspective. Millions of non-Jews lost their lives in the Nazi concentration camps and it does seem at times their deaths are largely ignored, sitting in the shadow of the Jewish holocaust, as they are. Perhaps that is because their surviving relatives didn't make an industry around it to justify future atrocities by their descendants.

I think he's referring to my post of the Holocaust being a hyped up Hollywood project aimed at promoting and defending Israel. With my neatly drawn comparison that roughly 80 million people died in another part of the world and they don't use the same excuse as states nor are those 80 million compared as much as the Holocaust. Anyway, go on.

[Kommunist]

Speaking at the party's headquarters in Cairo, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood has denounced the Russian and Chinese UNSC veto on Syria.

"The Syrian people alone are the decision maker through a peaceful revolution. The same as we did...we are denouncing the killing by the army to the civilian demonstrators and we also denounce with the same force the Russian-Chinese veto which give this regime an umbrella of protection, as the same veto was passed two hundred people were shot dead by the same killing armaments" said Brotherhood spokesman, Mohamed Badie.

The party's presidential candidate, Amr Moussa speaking of President Bashar al-Assad, went on to say "it is a matter of time, it is the history in the making of Arab region. Change will continue to be the real driving force in the life of the middle east and in the Arab world. What is being done by the Arab league now should be supported and that the Syrian people will not be suffer for long time."

The Syrian people aren't just the protesters, if they really hated the President he wouldn't have a government or a military by now. It's about 50/50 actually, or so my professor for international relations has stated.

[NewGoldDream]

I think he's referring to my post of the Holocaust being a hyped up Hollywood project aimed at promoting and defending Israel. With my neatly drawn comparison that roughly 80 million people died in another part of the world and they don't use the same excuse as states nor are those 80 million compared as much as the Holocaust. Anyway, go on.

Ummmm, I don't think I remember anything you ever posted.

So no, it wasn't you.

But if you posted something offensive about the Holocaust too, well bully for you. It's a great achievement.

[Manstein]

5 million people have died as a result of war in the Congo and Great Lakes regions of Africa and not a peep from the West.

But of course they are not 'real people' as defined by the Western media.

[Andy4571]

The Syrian people aren't just the protesters, if they really hated the President he wouldn't have a government or a military by now. It's about 50/50 actually, or so my professor for international relations has stated.

A continual civil war, where army are constantly deployed and businesses cant operate properly and ordinary people are caught in the middle will bring any economy to its knee's, particularly a not very strong economy like Syria. The longer it goes on, the more the middle class quickly becoming lower class will start to desert Assad.

[Partizan]

A continual civil war, where army are constantly deployed and businesses cant operate properly and ordinary people are caught in the middle will bring any economy to its knee's, particularly a not very strong economy like Syria. The longer it goes on, the more the middle class quickly becoming lower class will start to desert Assad.

I think it is in Assad's interest to resolve this as the longer this goes on, Syria's economy will take a hit and as you pointed out, the middle classes and indeed many workers will desert him. It all depends on how much the opposition want peace and if it is in their interests to respond to the Russian initiative. The pledge by the GCC to recognise the so called FSA as the legitimate army and voice of the Syrian people will not help matters.

[Andy4571]

I think it is in Assad's interest to resolve this as the longer this goes on, Syria's economy will take a hit and as you pointed out, the middle classes and indeed many workers will desert him. It all depends on how much the opposition want peace and if it is in their interests to respond to the Russian initiative. The pledge by the GCC to recognise the so called FSA as the legitimate army and voice of the Syrian people will not help matters.

Well Assad has done very little in the last 11 months in terms of making moves towards a more 'democratic' Syria. A snails pace. He does not need opposition talks for that, he can progress towards democratic reforms without them, and take away their reason/justification for protesting.