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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    FF, RTE & the GAA, there can be no doubt of it.
    I think it was more likely from FG myself. After all FF don't have any influence, RTE lobby for nobody but themselves and the GAA are far too canny to look for anything but money from the government.

    I think it's a pity though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillmanhunter1 View Post
    Indo is reporting that the Taoiseach has said that he will review the decision to close the Vatican embassy.
    Kenny 'to review' closure of Vatican embassy - National News - Independent.ie
    This is sad news.
    The Government was right to close the embassy in my view, not because of the cost savings which were relatively minor, but because the Catholic Church is a religion and not a country. Accepting the fiction that it is a country confers priveleges to a religion that are not relevant or appropriate to it and favours that religion over others. Until such time as we decide to open an embassy in Salt Lake City the decision to close the Vatican embassy remains the correct one.
    Collective cabinet decision to be 'reviewed' because of overwhelming public disquiet at its actions.

    This surely excavates the disfunction, the elitism and the disconnection of the Government from its people.

    Coupled with the State of the Nation/Davos contradictions, rudderless Flip Floppers come to mind.

    Easily led, indeed incapable of leading, making good decisions and sticking to them.

    But better late than never to review cbildish and petulant behaviour I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post
    Collective cabinet decision to be 'reviewed' because of overwhelming public disquiet at its actions.
    Backbench FG disquiet is what's meant by that.
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    If it wasn't for the pesky fact that he is a devout practising Catholic.

    The most God fearing leader we've had in some time.

    Like the drunk shouting leddme attem when he is hoping someone will hold him back, its not really standing up to anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    The closure of the embassy was announced on cost grounds not due to any issues between the state and the Vatican due to the child abuse scandal.

    Reconsidering a decision based on cost grounds is perfectly normal. However, had the government closed the embassy as a protest, the decision should stand as there can be no equivocation in these areas.

    The last person who should be criticised is the Taoiseach as his actions regarding the Catholic Church since coming into office have been strong and resolute.
    Have they? I remember one speech - mere words. Words aren't actions. I don't remember any actions. I'd appreciate any links you might have in case I missed something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Horse View Post
    The last person who should be criticised is the Taoiseach as his actions regarding the Catholic Church since coming into office have been strong and resolute.
    He hasn't missed one Sunday in the bosom of that Church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewGoldDream View Post
    He hasn't missed one Sunday in the bosom of that Church?
    To be honest, I'm not sure Enda's attendance at mass has anything to do with anything.
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    It would be typical of Ireland in the middle of the biggest crisis the country has faced since at least nominal independence were an irrelevant nonsense of an issue like this to prove to be a fissure between two parties in government. It wouldn't be the first time some witchdoctor related horseshyte was allowed to distract from real issues in real lives.

    Fine Gael and Enda Kenny have stated that the closure of this beano-office for the Irish clergy and hangers on was made on economic grounds. Now I suppose with a statement that this is being reviewed they may have to take a close and public look at what economic benefit it brings over costs. I suspect and hope that the only logical conclusion to such a review is that it is a factual cost and an ephemeral claimed benefit to the country at best and the review will state that closure was the correct decision.

    Any backtracking on this and Ireland once again starts to look like a reservation afeared of the medicine men. At least now the opponents of the closure will have to point to some material profit in keeping that daft office open. 'Eh, eh, eh.... good relations with... eh, eh, eh, people' just won't cut the mustard on this one.

    It is either a smart move to draw the sting of those who claim it is a plus on the balance sheet or a stupid capitulation to the remedial class in Ireland. It'll be very interesting to see which it turns out to be.
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    I hope the 'review' gets the priority usually accorded to these things. It would be a shame to give the Vatican the impression that there was public outrage at the closure, or that the Govt was quaking in its boots at Ratzi's displeasure.

    Make the Vatican work for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post
    Collective cabinet decision to be 'reviewed' because of overwhelming public disquiet at its actions.
    Strange... I haven't heard a single person complain about this so I would think they are lying.

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