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    Quote Originally Posted by macca1874 View Post
    From The Manchester Guardian, October 2008:

    "Chagos islanders evicted by the British government in the 1970s today lost their long-running battle to return to the Indian Ocean archipelago.

    The islanders had previously won the right to return to all islands except Diego Garcia, the main island, where there is a US military base.

    The 3-2 ruling today by the law lords overturns the islanders' victory and is the final stage of a legal battle that started 10 years ago.

    Lord Hoffmann ruled the government was entitled to legislate for a colony in the security interests of the United Kingdom.

    The US state department had argued that the islands might be useful to terrorists.

    Lord Hoffmann said: "Some of these scenarios might be regarded as fanciful speculations, but in the current state of uncertainty the government is entitled to take the concerns of its ally into account."

    He rejected the argument by the Chagossians' lawyers that the government did not have the power to remove their right of abode in what is now known as the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT). "The law gives it and the law may take it away," he said.

    Lord Rodger and Lord Carswell agreed. Lord Bingham and Lord Mance dissented."

    The British seem to have a very fluid definition of democracy and the rights of islanders. If its brown-skinned people in the middle of the Indian Ocean they simply kick them off their lands and boot them out of their homes. If it's white-skinned second generation Dagenham sparkies who have headed off to the Falklands/Malvinas for adventure...well, it would be a crime to ask them to leave, wouldn't it? What about their democratic rights? After all the nasty "Argies" have a long history of being anti-British don't they? Once the islands are back in "Argie" hands the poor old settlers' lives will be in mortal danger - after all, look what the brutes did to generations of Anglo-Argentines...

    Appalling, appalling double standards. There's no "Brit hating" going on here (and some posters should be ashamed of themselves for posting such self-pitying nonsense) - it's simply universal frustration at the characteristically well-practised policy of game-playing and duplicity that the British have become rather adept at over the years. As always, innocent lives get caught up in the nonsense and posturing of politics that belong to the Dark Ages.
    There main difference is that there was no indigenous population on Zthe Falklands to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben__w View Post
    There's nothing to talk about. Why would Argentina even be involved? Argentina is hundreds of miles way from the Falkland Islands. Why not, say, Poland?
    Chile? Brazil?

    Is Japan part of Russia? Is Russia part of China?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macca1874 View Post
    The most sensible post on the whole debate. Both governments need to seek each other out and talk the whole thing through. No jingoism, no nonsense, no posturing and sabre-rattling.
    The UN has always said "find a peaceful solution" - based on self determination.

    UN Resolution 2065 (XX) states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (Chapter 1 Article 1: The Purposes of the UN are: “To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self determination of peoples), and Resolution 1514 (XV) (ALL peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development).

    In 1990 Argentina and the UK/Falklands set up the South Atlantic Fisheries Commission to coordinate the management of fishing stocks, and in 1995 they agreed to jointly explore for oil and share the proceeds – but Argentina unilaterally withdrew from both agreements in 2007 saying that these had to be linked to handing over sovereignty. It is Argentina that is blocking cooperation, not the UK/Falklands.

    And the UK and Falkland Islanders are willing to discuss all aspects of peaceful cooperation with Argentina based on mutual respect.

    But Argentina only wants to negotiate handing over sovereignty against the self determination of the Falkland Islanders - and have included this in their constitution, so negotiations to achieve a peaceful solution as directed by the UN are not possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macca1874 View Post
    The most sensible post on the whole debate. Both governments need to seek each other out and talk the whole thing through. No jingoism, no nonsense, no posturing and sabre-rattling.
    Talk about what? Honestly, aside from the real reasons behind this (required discussions on the sea area of the Falklands), what possible discussion is going to be held?

    Argentina: "We want the Malvinas back"

    UK: "Well we call them the Falklands and want to keep them. Tell you what, let's allow the people living there have a vote and we'll respect the results ok? We can have 3 options, Status quo, full independence or move to Argentinian sovereignty. We'll let the UN run it so it's fair. How does that sound?

    Argentina: "..............WE WANT THE MALVINAS BACK!"
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    There is a comment on this thread showing the history of the islands but sure the Brit haters would never let a little thing like the facts get in the way of their hatred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    If the Falklanders wanted to declare themselves an independent sovereign state; would their British colonisers be happy with that?
    Yes, that has been the stated postion of HMG for many eyars now and Cameron repeated it at the start of the latest bout of Argentine flag-waving and harassment.

    Or does "self-determination" mean permanent union with Britain?
    Nooo, it means what it says, they are free to " determine" for "themselves" to remain under the protection of the UK, become part of ARgentina or become independent, it;s that simple.
    Tell me, do you deliberately ignore anything said by the Brits on principle, or is this merely an oversight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macca1874 View Post
    The most sensible post on the whole debate. Both governments need to seek each other out and talk the whole thing through. No jingoism, no nonsense, no posturing and sabre-rattling.
    If you genuinely think that this or indeed any post by Toddy can be even remotely described as "sensible", then frankly you should seek counselling. Seriously.

    Toddy is clearly a tin-foil-hat wearing, anglophobic, totally irrational feckin' loon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pippakin View Post
    There is a comment on this thread showing the history of the islands but sure the Brit haters would never let a little thing like the facts get in the way of their hatred.

    yes. its' here. I wish more people would read it before rushing to post.

    http://www.falklandshistory.org/gettingitright.pdf
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    Re. the Sean Penn nonsense, have a read of this:

    Falklands/Malvinas: an open letter to Sean Penn — MercoPress

    A few interesting facts there about the reality of the situation in Argentina eh? Not to mention the saintly Cristina?
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    450 million a year to support 3000 people, pressure being put on Chilean airlines to stop serving the Las Malvinas. The price is going to rise, and little Johnny English is going to shout "what about me and my kids, what do I get more taxes".
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