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I didn't.
I didn't.
That's true, Tombo, but IMHO it is a waste of time and emotion to keep dragging up the past when it is unnecessary.
Let's focus on the present:
The various Australian state and federal governments, and many people, are trying to make amends and to help the aboriginal communities have a better present and future - whether based on modern culture or on Aboriginal culture.
No children of mixed ancestry are taken nowadays.
Some aboriginals are alcoholics and/or substance abusers. Some whites still treat aboriginals badly. Some aboriginals still treat other aboriginals badly. Some aboriginals want justice, and some want even more justice. Some aboriginal traditions are in conflict with modern standards and laws. Some aboriginals are of mostly European ancestry. Some aboriginals need help for education and jobs. These are some of the current issues.
I want Irish reunification in my lifetime.
Did I ever say it hadn't ?
What I have taken exception to is the fact that one poster claimed that all the bad sh** that happened to Aborgines occurred 250 years ago and yet there were some pretty extreme racist policies in place up until the 70s.
Also some people, including yourself I believe, have tried to leave the blame for it all at the feet of the British.
Trying to blame the British for what was done by white Australians in the 20th century would be like the Irish trying to blame the magdalene laundries and industrial school child abuse on the British.
Agreed, but one must not forget the past and one must own up to it.
No it is not.
One can not really move on until people admit to the past.
For instance there is still a stain over Japanese/China relations and every so often it comes to the fore, because the Japanese have never come out and admitted their war atrocities like their German counterparts.
You can't just pretend that nothing happened and expect the descendents and indeed victims to just blindly move on.
People's refusal to learn from the past is what has the human race repeating the same bloody mistakes over and over again.
I hope that would be taken for granted and not something to be proud to crow about.
Almost sounds like member of our primary church telling us how no children were abused recently.
Australia has a way to go, just like most countries have to learn to deal with it's indigenous groups.
At least some Australians are making an effort unlike such people as howard and some posters here who appear to be a throwback to the turn of the 20th century.
As for Tombo,
you appear to have a major hang up with this being called genocide.
I don't think I ever labelled the removal of "half caste" children as genocide.
I did however label it as being completely racist and I think any sane person would find it difficult to argue otherwise.
I don't think there ever was offically genocide, but unoffically it was probably as good as genocide when you weigh up the end affects of some of the treatement meeted out to aborigines.
From a couple of the quotes I found, it appeared as if the officials were of the opinion that Aborigines would simply die out and disappear over time rather than be systemically exterminated.
There was a gross indifference as to their plight.
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Given this is your thread and the title of your thread makes a claim of "genocide" you are simply going to have to wear that one once you come down from what ever stimulant you are on.
But we can also take up the "removing children was completely racist" as well. Your extreme statements and claims sparked an interest in me to know more about this and what I found marks this second claim as "bullsh!t" too. If for no other reason than as far as I can see nobody has ever been able to document a genuine case of removal on the basis of race. It always seems to be for demonstrable neglect, at the request of parents (say to go to a school), abandonment etc.
As a result I just find you and your holier than thou pronouncements about other countries an emabarrassment to me as an Irishman.
I am planning on my firs trip there next year and feel I might need to apologise to every Aussie I meet for any obnoxious, preaching bogsh!te, dirge singing Paddy they had the misfortune to run into.
In fact, it is getting hard to go anywhere if this forum is anythni to go by. I find too many of my countrymen mouthing off about other people, the US, Israel, Australia, Britain, more recently Germany. We are the fu_cking disgrace.
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Now you really are making yourself look like a gobsh**e.
This is not MY thread, I did not start it and if you showed some semblance of intelligence you would have discovered that by looking at page 1.
Yeah right.
Shure the aborogines all asked for.
Well I have been there and like everywhere else on this planet there is good and bad.
Did I mouth off about those countries ?
In fact you often find me defending them.
But I don't defend the US wholesale bombing of North Vietnam, the sh** they did in Central America, the rounding up and butchering of non combatants by Germany's armed forces during WWII, the British method of colonising countries.
But you go right ahead and defend all that sh** like a good little ar**licking sleeveen.
To take the opinion of the man who coined the term genocide;Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAfter the introduction of the word genocide in the 1940s by Raphael Lemkin, Lemkin and most other comparative genocide scholars, basing their analysis on previously published histories, present the extinction of the Tasmanian Aborigines as a text book example of a genocide;
The UN definition of genocide is;
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Convention on Genocide
Australia probably ticks a few boxes in relation to its historical treatment of the indigenous Aboriginals
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Many countries have a history of genocide like acts, Russia also
Caucasian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Russian
Ethnic cleansing of Circassians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
?????? And that is relevant to a thread about Australia. how??
It is relevant that many countries have a past they are not proud of, and raises the question about why the finger pointing at only some of them.
Oh for fks sake. Go and find some other forum to troll, you pissant...
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