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[QUOTE=james5001;4803657]No you didn't. If you can't articulate it...
In your definition, which I think has been established as bollocks?Communist bloc would imply that it was under huge Soviet influence or control. It was not.
Nope.I did say it. ''And once again, you bring in the idea of relativity. The original poster did not mention that this was relatively benign at all. Of course this certain policy was relatively benign.'' There you go.
I was assuming that your avatar is war on of the Krankies...I'm mr cranky?! The way you treat others on this site suggest that youare.
And?No idea what that means or what that's in reference to.
I can't be bothered to rehash what has already been said.Nope, a much more simple explanation.
original poster - ''Do you realise how benign American imperialism is in comparison to its historical and contemporary equivalents i.e. British, German, Russian, Spanish, Portugese, Japanese etc?''
My response - ''Benign?! Excuse me?''
Note how I was not referring to the Marshall Plan here, I was talking about in general, which the original poster was also doing. I was talking about general policy. Not MarshallPlan. I agreed that the MarshallPlan policy was relatively benign. Do you now get it?
The two relevant parts...
Initial Post
"Do you realise that a high proportion of the American population are descended from Irish people who arrived in America in the most awful circumstances?
Do you realise that but for the Americans it could be the Nazis that would be in Shannon? Do you realise that Europe was in rubble in 1945 courtesy of Hitler and Stalin?
Do you realise that American Marshall aid saved Europe from starvation in 1945?
Do you realise how benign American imperialism is in comparison to its historical and contemporary equivalents i.e. British, German, Russian, Spanish, Portugese, Japanese etc?
That does not mean they do not abuse their power. But the alternatives in the last war are too awful to contemplate."
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"Benign?! Excuse me?
Regarding the MarshallPlan, about 2billion of it went straight to us oilcompanies. As Melvyn Leffler said, the purpose of it was to "benefit the American economy," to "redress the European balance of power" in favor of the us, and to "enhance American national security," where "national security" is understood as
"control of raw materials, industrial infrastructure, skilled manpower, and military bases."
But I agree with you that other states have a worse record."
So can you break down in detail what you feel the initial posts point were and how your post addresses those points. Sorry that we're having to go into such detail, but if you feel you're being misrepresented, feel free to have another go.
yes it is... What is foreign policy. Or rather - what is the aim of foreign policy.No, it is not. Your implication was not regarding foreign policy in general, it was regarding imperialism.
To make it factual I would have to report it to the mods? What bull************************ do you talk? Firstly - can you state what good would it be to report you to the mods? Is 'lying against this sites CofC? Oh sorry, it doesn't have one.You have called me a liar. That is an allegation. To make it factual you would need to report the incident to mods. I have layed out my statements here clearly. General policy has not been relatively benign, the Marshall Plan was relatively benign. I have consistently said this and not contradicted myself. If you wish to point out any contradictions, please quote the 2 statements where I contradicted myself otherwise you haven't a leg to stand on.
What we have here... James - is you simply diverging off on a tangent to a point where you feel that you could 'win'. However no. You haven't.
You Post...
"Benign?! Excuse me?
Regarding the MarshallPlan, about 2billion of it went straight to us oilcompanies. As Melvyn Leffler said, the purpose of it was to "benefit the American economy," to "redress the European balance of power" in favor of the us, and to "enhance American national security," where "national security" is understood as
"control of raw materials, industrial infrastructure, skilled manpower, and military bases."
But I agree with you that other states have a worse record."
my response...
"None of which isn't actually being benign in comparison..."
And your response? To try and drag away by saying... "IT'S IMPERIALISM!!!!" Instead of understanding that Sheil and I were right in that American actions are generally benign "in comparison to its historical and contemporary equivalents i.e. British, German, Russian, Spanish, Portugese, Japanese etc?"
Poor baby.
[QUOTE=Conor the Bold;4884830][QUOTE=james5001;4803657]
I gave you the definition to what I was referring to.No you didn't. If you can't articulate it...
Not my definition at all, no.In your definition, which I think has been established as bollocks?
Could you rephrase that? Don't think it makes sense in its current form.I was assuming that your avatar is war on of the Krankies...
And?"Do you realise that a high proportion of the American population are descended from Irish people who arrived in America in the most awful circumstances?
Do you realise that but for the Americans it could be the Nazis that would be in Shannon? Do you realise that Europe was in rubble in 1945 courtesy of Hitler and Stalin?
Do you realise that American Marshall aid saved Europe from starvation in 1945?
Do you realise how benign American imperialism is in comparison to its historical and contemporary equivalents i.e. British, German, Russian, Spanish, Portugese, Japanese etc?
That does not mean they do not abuse their power. But the alternatives in the last war are too awful to contemplate."
"But I agree with you that other states have a worse record."So can you break down in detail what you feel the initial posts point were and how your post addresses those points. Sorry that we're having to go into such detail, but if you feel you're being misrepresented, feel free to have another go.
'' Of course this certain policy was relatively benign.''
yes it is... What is foreign policy. Or rather - what is the aim of foreign policy.
Such achildish approach you take.What we have here... James - is you simply diverging off on a tangent to a point where you feel that you could 'win'. However no. You haven't.
''But I agree with you that other states have a worse record."And your response? To try and drag away by saying... "IT'S IMPERIALISM!!!!" Instead of understanding that Sheil and I were right in that American actions are generally benign "in comparison to its historical and contemporary equivalents i.e. British, German, Russian, Spanish, Portugese, Japanese etc?"
''Of course this certain policy was relatively benign.''
Another example of your childishpostsPoor baby.
''A basic principle of modern state capitalism is that cost and risk are socialized to the extent possible, while profit is privatized.'' Noam Chomsky
[QUOTE=james5001;4886394][QUOTE=Conor the Bold;4884830]No... you posted a link.
What definition was that?Not my definition at all, no.
Predictive text - I thought your Avatar was on of the Krankies.Could you rephrase that? Don't think it makes sense in its current form.
It's clear in the above post. The fact that you've only quoted half of the relevant excerpt isn't anything to do with me.And
Initial Post - "Do you realise how benign American imperialism is in comparison to its historical and contemporary equivalents i.e. British, German, Russian, Spanish, Portugese, Japanese etc? ""But I agree with you that other states have a worse record."
'' Of course this certain policy was relatively benign.''
You post - "Benign?! Excuse me?"
I post "None of which isn't actually being benign in comparison..."
What's the beef?
[QUOTE=Conor the Bold;4989865][QUOTE=james5001;4886394]Did you just bring up a thread again where the last post was nearly a month ago?! Wow. You must feel really passionately about this.
''A basic principle of modern state capitalism is that cost and risk are socialized to the extent possible, while profit is privatized.'' Noam Chomsky
Yeah. I came across it on a search for something else.
Lads! How can we enjoy this bickering with such quote fail?
Sure ya did.
''A basic principle of modern state capitalism is that cost and risk are socialized to the extent possible, while profit is privatized.'' Noam Chomsky
No, you're right. I spent a month seething about it and then answered your post quickly and easily last night.
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