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    Well its US election time again. It appears that we are to have the most prolonged and complicated elections in the history of elections commencing tomorrow in order that US democracy can prevail once again. Unfortunately as is the new trend , these election will be held in someone else's country, this time Egypt.

    The military are threatening grave consequences....yay for democracy...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/bel-...b_1088818.html


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15909874
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    My solidarity goes out to the people who have the courage to protest. May the end of this process bring about a better government in Egypt and a better way of life for all Egyptians.

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    The violence in Egypt may not be terminal. What we are currently seeing is the rollover of protest into democractic expression. It is highly desirable that the protests continue so that the main opposition to the exisiting establishment is not Islamist, but secular in nature.

    The biggest draw back possible is not that the army retains a role in Egyptian political affairs, but that Egyptian democracy does come to resemble the Turkish model, where 60 journalist languish in jail and its biggest minority (the curds) is frequently discriminated against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonsai Experiment View Post
    What the Egyptians want is crystal clear , they want democracy. What the US and Israel cannot afford to have in the Middle East is a democratic Egypt refusing to help enforce their Middle East Policy that hinges on isolating one an a half million Gazans. The military oppression is merely an unfortunate consequence for Egyptians of US maintaining control of Egypt's Northern Border policy.
    US / Israel probably wouldn't hate too much for Egyptians to have a fairer society, but if this has to come at the price of Egypt taking control of its own relations with Gaza, and the Army serving the wishes of the people for a change, then they will do all in their power to prevent it.
    I think that's why a lot of people are slow to comment on the new wave of protests for genuine fear that these people are now in real grave danger.
    And I hope they get their democracy. Where you go wrong is by your false concern about what Israel and the US cannot afford to have. Besides that's just you looking at Egyptian democracy, not as being good for Egypt but as what will be worst for Israel and the US. you're letting your thoughts run away with you and thinking your thoughts are actually based in fact. If you were that concerned about what was best for Egypt you wouldn't be seeing this issue as an Israeli/US one
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Chaim View Post
    And I hope they get their democracy.
    Now you're just lying again. You've spent hundreds of hours on here praising the siege of Gaza and pretending to have a thousand reasons why the siege was providing critical protection for Israelis. You and your goons have repeatedly spewed the same agency krud about blocking weapons and stopping the terrorist abetters from getting into Gaza to strengthen Hamas. But the reality is that Israel and the Americans have worked tirelessly to make the siege bite as hard as they could over the years and to that end have used the Egyptian military junta and none other that Tantawi himself to find better ways of enforcing this siege.Wikileaks: Obama & Egypt’s army make Gaza ‘go hungry’ « Kia Ora Gaza

    If Egyptians can somehow shake of the US controlled Military regime, and achieve civilian democracy in their country then one of the first steps will be to end the siege , which is a constant source of humiliation and shame to the Egyptian people. Now we all know that you horrible fascists do not want a Free Gaza , now or ever, if the ruling regime there is not under complete US Israel control

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    More meddling going on...

    Fearing Arrest, US ‘Advisers’ Flee to Cairo Embassy

    The ongoing row over American Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) employees barred from leaving Egypt has escalated today. The State Department reveals that at least three of the employees under investigation are hiding in the US Embassy in Cairo, fearing arrest if they leave.

    The State Department has declined to name the three employees, but they were subjects of the ongoing investigation into the International Republican Institute (IRI) and National Democratic Institute (NDI), two heavily US government-funded organizations run by top members of the Republican and Democratic Parties, respectively....

    ...The groups were working on behalf of certain political parties favored by the US in the parliamentary elections.
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    Egypt Will Prosecute 19 Americans on Charges Related to Financing of Resistance Groups
    From The New York Times.

    Egypt’s military-led government said Sunday that it would put 19 Americans and two dozen others on trial in a politically charged criminal investigation into the foreign financing of nonprofit groups that has shaken the 30-year alliance between the United States and Egypt....
    ...The criminal prosecution is a rebuke to Washington in the face of increasingly stern warnings to Egypt’s ruling generals from President Obama, cabinet officials and senior Congressional leaders that it could jeopardize $1.55 billion in expected American aid this year, including $1.3 billion for the military. But for Washington, revoking the aid would risk severing the tie that for three decades has bound the United States, Egypt and Israel in an uneasy alliance that is the cornerstone of the American-backed regional order.

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said she had personally warned the Egyptian foreign minister, Mohammed Amr, at a security conference in Munich on Saturday that the continuing investigation of the nonprofit groups cast new doubt on the aid....

    ......So far, the warnings from Washington appear to have only redoubled the determination of Egyptian authorities. At a news conference here on Sunday, Faiza Abu el-Naga, who oversees foreign aid, declared that the government “will not be pulling the plug” on the case, the state newspaper Al Ahram reported on its Web site.

    “The government will not hesitate to expose foreign schemes that threaten the stability of the homeland,” she said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyelight View Post
    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said she had personally warned the Egyptian foreign minister, Mohammed Amr, at a security conference in Munich on Saturday that the continuing investigation of the nonprofit groups cast new doubt on the aid....
    The Russian guy on Newsnight last night was hinting at this, pretty scating about the new regime in Libya as well.
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