NATO and some of our EU Partners have Committed War Crimes in Libya

[Destiny's Soldier]

The attack on Gaddafi's convoy retreating from Sirte had nothing to do with the UN resolution of protecting civilians. This was a full scale war by NATO and fellow EU forces on a Sovereign nation. NATO and some of our "partners" from the EU launched a full scale lethal assault on a population who were loyal to Gaddafi. They killed and bombed at will.

There was no legal basis for the murder of civilians loyal to Gaddafi and no legal basis to bomb his convoy ensuring scores of deaths.

NATO jets bombed a convoy of Libyans while their proxy Al Qaeda rebels or British SAS executed Gaddafi.

Who wants a common EU foreign policy which includes France the UK, Italy, or the Netherlands? These countries are guilty of murdering innocent civilians. They had no legal basis to invene in a civil war in Libya as it was not an international crisis.

Does our Minister for Foreign Affairs have anything to say on the legality of NATO actions?

The Irish people should demand a statement from Eamonn Gilmore. If he choses to say nothing, are we not complict by our silence?

Gaddafi's final hours: Nato and the SAS helped rebels drive hunted leader into endgame in a desert drain - Telegraph

The French jets were also given permission to join the attack.

By now a group of 20 vehicles in the convoy had reached a point around three miles west of the city. The shattered streets had been left behind, and the convoy had halted next to a walled electricity sub station, in arid farmland dotted with breeze block compounds and trees.

Just then, the French pilot began his bombing run, seconds later releasing two 500lb GBU-12 laser-guided bombs, into the centre of the convoy.

The bombs unleashed massive force. Arriving at the site, a few hours later, their devastating power was clear to see: at least a dozen vehicles were shredded and burned out, while I counted more than 25 bodies, some lying twisted and charred inside the vehicles and others lying in clumps nearby.

The air strike marked the end of any attempt at an ordered retreat and the convoy's remnants scattered.

[liamfoley]

Where, exactly is your concern coming from? Concern for Libyan civilians or international law?

[Elvis jaffacake]

Since the colonel was not the leader of Libya anymore...was it war on a sovereign nation, or just stopping a guy running away in a car?

[Elvis jaffacake]

NATO jets bombed a convoy of Libyans while their proxy Al Qaeda rebels or British SAS executed Gaddafi.

Of course it was, not the simple expedient of some guy who been fighting for months finally getting the chance to kill the man at the top of the regime he was fighting...it must be some sort of conspiracy tinged black op.

Because we all know everything that happens is according to a plan so intricately detailed it's Bond villain in scale yet that never goes wrong..like real life.

[Destiny's Soldier]

Where, exactly is your concern coming from? Concern for Libyan civilians or international law?

The retreating Convoy were entitled to retreat. They were not engaging in an assasult on any civilian population as so NATO had no legal basis to launch a lethal strike killing 25 people in the convoy.

NATO could not have known who was in the convoy. It was sheer chance that it happened to include Gaddafi. If NATO bombed everything that moved, eventually NATO would hit their desired target which seems to have been Gaddafi all along. There was no mandate to execute the leader (or former leader) of the country.

What legal basis had NATO to launch a lethal assault on a convoy of vehicles which was not attacking civilians?

[MrMee]

The attack on Gaddafi's convoy retreating from Sirte had nothing to do with the UN resolution of protecting civilians.

just curious....did someone somewhere claim that it did?

This was a full scale war by NATO

hardly full scale

and fellow EU forces on a Sovereign nation.

I think the point is that the sovereignty was now in doubt

NATO and some of our "partners" from the EU launched a full scale lethal assault on a population who were loyal to Gaddafi.

hardly a full scale assault. Have you the statistics on number of conflict-related deaths of Gaddafi-loyal civilians?

The killed and bombed at will.

the bombing raids were carefully planned. If they had not been, it would have been much worse.

There was no legal basis for the murder of civilians loyal to Gaddafi

What is the estimate and who is behind the estimate? Also, there are very specific rules in the Geneva Conventions and Geneva Protocols regarding precautions that are required to be taken in such circumstances. Which of these did they break and in which circumstances?
[B][U]


and no legal basis to bomb his convoy ensuring scores of deaths.

I think you need to read the Geneva Conventions and Protocols.

NATO jets bombed a convoy of Libyans

not just any Libyans.....do you know the accepted definition of a "combatant"?

while their proxy Al Qaeda rebels or British SAS executed Gaddafi.

hello? Is anybody home?


Who wants a common EU foreign policy which includes France the UK, Italy, or the Netherlands? These countries are guilty of murdering innocent civilians.

I am curious to know what the Red Cross estimates on this are. Keep in mind that the people of Sirte were also encouraged to leave before the fighting began, and they left in droves.



They had no legal basis to invene in a civil war in Libya as it was not an international crisis.

You really need to read more. A lot more. See Documents on the Laws of War by Adam Roberts and Richard Guelff. Then read about 20-30 articles on the topic of internvetion in about 5 good law journals.


Does our Minister for Foreign Affairs have anything to say on the legality of NATO actions?

He might, But you might not agree with him. [U]


The Irish people should demand a statement from Eamonn Gilmore. If he choses to say nothing, are we not complict by our silence?

Well, we would be if we all agreed with your Mark Twain nonsensical argument understanding of international law.




Gaddafi's final hours: Nato and the SAS helped reb[/U]els drive hunted leader into endgame in a desert drain - Telegraph

[Midulster]

It was resource grabbing ahead of the Chinese. As usual, the pretext of human rights is laughable, as is evident with the now racist torture of black people by the Al-Qaeda backed NTC, assisted and armed by NATO.

[MrMee]

It was resource grabbing ahead of the Chinese. As usual, the pretext of human rights is laughable, as is evident with the now racist torture of black people by the Al-Qaeda backed NTC, assisted and armed by NATO.

Good one!

[Midulster]

The hypocrisy is quite laughable. NATO, the great hunter of Al-Qaeda, has a curious moral blackout when it comes to the Country with the largest oil reserves in Africa. Now that black people are being tortured and murdered in Libya by the NTC, Britain - who is now gloating about business deals in Libyan energy, is curiously silent.

Its all a disgusting farce.

[Grizzly]

It just infuriates me to think that the majority of the population are stupid enough to believe bombing civlian areas in another country somehow "protects civilians".

Essentially what happened was that NATO backed a terrorist group operating in Libya.

It's mad tto think that while Al-Qaeda (originally a US invention anyway) are attacking US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, the same US forces are providing huge amounts of firepower and air cover to help Al-Qaeda take control of Libya.

Of course none of the mainstream media bothers to report this because they are cowards.