NATO and some of our EU Partners have Committed War Crimes in Libya

[Partizan]

So are we to conclude then, that after 40 odd years of Gaddafi's enlightened and progressive leadership and his far-sighted "economic and social policies" (which apparently led to Human Development being as high in Libya as in the UK) the Libyan people have in the space of a year not ony risen up and toppled this charming, benevolent humanitarian and statesman, but then immediately degenerated into a bunch of racist thugs?

Odd that.

Which is exactly what has happened. Read the Amnesty report. The so called NTC support was limited and its rule imposed on the Libyan people without their consultation for the purpose of Western companies extracting Libya's oil in which the vast bulk of the Libyan people will see none of the fruits. What is inconvenient for the Western powers is that Gadaffi still had/has significant support (though not majority) from the Libyan people. The NTC goons are right now busy rounding up any of his supporters, torturing and murdering them under the eye of NATO including Libyan Blacks.

That is not to say that it was all fluffy bunnies under his rule or he was a saint but Libya in 5-10 years time will be a worse place than it was under him. When it all boils down to it, it was never about democracy, freedom and human rights. It was a good old fashioned colonial land grab and to have Irish people cheering on from the sidelines of NATO's latest imperialist adventure makes it all the more sadder.

No words, no flashing lights and no spin from Sky, Fox, CNN, BBC can ever dress up the real truth. It was bloody well wrong.

[MacBeth]

Which is exactly what has happened. Read the Amnesty report. The so called NTC support was limited and its rule imposed on the Libyan people without their consultation for the purpose of Western companies extracting Libya's oil in which the vast bulk of the Libyan people will see none of the fruits. What was inconvenient for the Western powers is that Gadaffi still had/has a significant support (though not majority) from the Libyan people. The NTC goons are right now busy rounding up any of his supporters, torturing and murdering them under the eye of NATO including Libyan Blacks.

That is not to say that it was all fluffy bunnies or he was a saint but Libya in 5-10 years time will be alot worse than it was under his rule. When it all boils down to it, it was never about democracy, freedom and human rights. It was a good old fashioned colonial land grab and to have Irish people cheering on from the sidelines of NATO's latest imperialist adventure makes it all the more sadder.

Richard Boyd Barrett was the biggest cheerleader for NATO in Ireland. He is a weasel.

[sgtharper]

But the Libyan people didn't rise up.

No, of course they didn't, I imagined it all.

There was a NATO and Qatari backed coup.

Balls, the "rising" or whatever you might want to call it was already underway and the rebels were being slaughtered when NATO, under Cameron's urging, intervened under the authority of the UN. The Qataris came along later.

Most Libyans rallied to defend their country. Even with the backing of NATO aircraft, weapons and training it still took the NTC rabble almost a year to defeat the Libyan people's forces.

Yes, it took some time for the untrained "rabble" to organise and become effective against what was still a functioning, disciplined and well-equipped army. That they did so and won is to their credit, and that of the French, British and Qatari advisers who assisted them, not to mention the aircrew etc.

[sgtharper]

That is not to say that it was all fluffy bunnies or he was a saint but Libya in 5-10 years time will be alot worse than it was under his rule. When it all boils down to it, it was never about democracy, freedom and human rights. It was a good old fashioned colonial land grab and to have Irish people cheering on from the sidelines of NATO's latest imperialist adventure makes it all the more sadder.

Dreary and entirely predictable lefty horse-sh*t. Once again, "It's aaallll about the Oiiiillllll!"

Give it a rest FFS.

[Partizan]

Richard Boyd Barrett was the biggest cheerleader for NATO in Ireland. He is a weasel.

Have you any links to support that statement? The Workers Party was consistently opposed to the NATO bombing and invasion of the sovereign state of Libya as we were in 1999 in Kosovo, Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003. The SWP and the Socialists in all fairness were too.

[MacBeth]

No, of course they didn't, I imagined it all.



Balls, the "rising" or whatever you might want to call it was already underway and the rebels were being slaughtered when NATO, under Cameron's urging, intervened under the authority of the UN. The Qataris came along later.




Yes, it took some time for the untrained "rabble" to organise and become effective against what was still a functioning, disciplined and well-equipped army. That they did so and won is to their credit, and that of the French, British and Qatari advisers who assisted them, not to mention the aircrew etc.

The "rising" was about 200 Qatari special forces in Benghazi backed up by a few gangs of racists, islamists and monarchists. It had been planned in advance. Then Sarkozy and Cameron did a few shady deals with these goons.

The idea that Cameron gives a sh1te about poor arbaic people is laughable.

[Partizan]

Dreary and entirely predictable lefty horse-sh*t. Once again, "It's aaallll about the Oiiiillllll!"

Give it a rest FFS.

Rather than spout the usual guff can you please debate with me on the issues that I have raised rather than go all spastic with the "lefty hose-sh*t". Is the Amnesty International report "Dreary and entirely predictable lefty horse-sh*t"?

Widespread torture and murder is happening right now in Libya by the so called NTC of Gadaffi supporters (people from all walks of life) as well as widespread racial profiling and persecution of Black Africans? What have you got to say about that?

Are you going to wave that away by coming out with the "Dreary and entirely predictable lefty horse-sh*t" and confirm my suspicions that you are excusing blatant racism?

[MacBeth]

Have you any links to support that statement? The Workers Party was consistently opposed to the NATO bombing and invasion of the sovereign state of Libya as we were in 1999 in Kosovo, Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003. The SWP and the Socialists in all fairness were too.

You're dreadfully mis-informed about the trots and particularily the SWP opportunists. They were not against the NATO attacks on Belgrade in 1999. Boyd Barrett and the SWP also give full support to Libyan monarchists, islamists and generally reactionaries during the Libyan War.

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