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    Quote Originally Posted by ocoonassa View Post
    It's not secular it's a Jewish State founded by Europeans on the basis of religious baloney, Christians and Muslims are now second class citizens in the place their ancestors came from.
    No they are not, all Israeli citizens have the same rights under Israeli secular law. It is a secular democratic state. It is Hamas who are incorporating religious beliefs into secular law in Gaza by criminalising people based on their sexuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanie Lemass View Post
    Some people on the left tend to have a blindspot when it comes to the foibles of certain 'anti imperialists.'

    Truth is that Israel is only state in the region where the same parties would be allowed exist and run for elections and which is 'socially progressive.'
    Indeed, compare these attitudes to those just across the border in a democratic, open country like Israel. Tel Aviv has a flourishing gay scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tea Party Patriot View Post
    The blockade is in place to prevent arms smuggling to Hamas, those trying to break the blockade are supporting the arming of Hamas which will only further their power. They may be failing to mentally make this connection, but removal of the blockade equates to Hamas gaining further military power:


    Behind the Headlines: The Victoria arms-smuggling incident 15-Mar-2011
    where have those who support the breaking of the blockade explicitly stated that the want to arm Hamas?
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    Tel Aviv is the Gay capital of the Middle East. Homosexuals from all the surrounding Arab countries are trying to get to Israel so they can live their lives free from persecution. There are so many Arab homosexuals looking for asylum in Israel. Heartbreaking that they are trested so badly in their own countries. But the Human Rights people overlook things like that. They have to when they have Israel in their sights. Israel is held to a much higher standard than anywhere else.....and certainly to a much higher standard than Arab or other Muslim countries, whose actions are explained away and excused as 'greviences'. And against this sort of criterion of judgement the Arab and Muslim countries get a pass on any number of human rights abuses. Shocking really. But there you go. Maybe we need an Arab homosexual to be discriminated against in an Israeli supermarket before people look at how Arab homosexuals are persecuted
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinemartin View Post
    where have those who support the breaking of the blockade explicitly stated that the want to arm Hamas?
    They don't and that's where their hypocricy lies. They know that Hamas will attempt to kill as many Israelis as possible. they know that these attempts and attacks will increase if hamas can get their hands on more smuggled weapons. And they know that if the blockade is broken then hamas will get their hands on more weapons and the attacks against Israeli civilians will increase........and still those same people, who know all this, call for the blockade to be broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith-M View Post
    Indeed, compare these attitudes to those just across the border in a democratic, open country like Israel. Tel Aviv has a flourishing gay scene.
    On the argument that Israel is more tolerant of gays than Hamas, obviously. But one would sort of expect that from a western democracy, as opposed to a fundamentalist terrorist organisation.

    Its not much of a win, in fairness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinemartin View Post
    where have those who support the breaking of the blockade explicitly stated that the want to arm Hamas?
    The blockade exists to prevent the smuggling of Arms to Hamas. Breaking the blockade will allow this smuggling to take place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinemartin View Post
    where have those who support the breaking of the blockade explicitly stated that the want to arm Hamas?
    As I said some of them may be failing to make the mental connection. Although in the case of the organisers of the first flotilla, the IHH they certainly openly supported Hamas and have been proscribed in Germany and the Netherlands as a terrorist organisation for this.

    The consequences of breaking the blockade is that Hamas will have a free run at arms smuggling and will be further empowered to carry out terrorist attacks and further oppress the human rights of the people of Gaza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Chaim View Post
    Maybe we need an Arab homosexual to be discriminated against in an Israeli supermarket before people look at how Arab homosexuals are persecuted
    would you condemn that discrimination? it would be a tough one for you, you couldn't condemn it because the guy is an Arab but you would be conflicted because of your long held belief in Gay rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Chaim View Post
    They don't and that's where their hypocricy lies. They know that Hamas will attempt to kill as many Israelis as possible. they know that these attempts and attacks will increase if hamas can get their hands on more smuggled weapons. And they know that if the blockade is broken then hamas will get their hands on more weapons and the attacks against Israeli civilians will increase........and still those same people, who know all this, call for the blockade to be broken.
    Like jam?
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