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    Telstar 62 Telstar 62 is offline

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    Venezuelan security forces have carried out hundreds of arbitrary killings under
    the guise of fighting crime, the UN says in a new report.

    The UN's human rights body says it has credible accounts of security forces
    raiding poor neighbourhoods and killing young men, often in their homes.

    The rule of law was "virtually absent" in the country, UN human rights chief
    Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein said.

    This is Jeremy Corbyn's Socialist nirvana....
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    Neither the capitalists nor bureaucracy can solve the crisis!

    I suppose the admission that Venezuela is in a crisis is a step forward for socialists.
    Still many here can't admit this.
    What is it they say about alcoholics ? The first step is to acknowledge you have a problem.

    Chavez & Maduro create a crisis.
    Then claim nobody can solve it.
    So you should keep voting for them.

    lol.
    Even FF didn't come up with that excuse after the crash here.
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    Venezuela just need to try even more "real socialism".....because clearly what they are doing is not "real" socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    I suppose the admission that Venezuela is in a crisis is a step forward for socialists.
    Still many here can't admit this.
    The Committee for a Workers International welcomed the election of Chavez as a step forward for the Venezuelan working class and rural poor - but then pointed out the necessity to remove the oligarchs from their control of the economy - Chavez never attempted to do this. The CWI has been and continues to be highly critical of the policies pursued by Chavez and, more particularly by Maduro. Members of Izquierda Revolucionaria (the sister party of the Socialist Party) have faced repression from the Maduro regime - IR has a certain base of support among some sections of the working class and has been campaigning against the repressive polices of Maduro and in support of a Left Opposition to Maduro - while at the same time warning that a return of the oligarchs would lead to a bonapartist regime of brutal reprisals and repression.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    Chavez & Maduro create a crisis.
    The main reason for the crisis is the unrelenting attacks on Venezuela by US and European imperialist interests - the policies of Chavez and particularly Maduro have subjugated the government to these attacks and rather than operating in the interests of the working class - instead they have operated in the interests of preserving their regime.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    Then claim nobody can solve it.
    So you should keep voting for them.
    The working class and the rural poor know that a return of the oligarchs will result in a brutal carnival of reaction - they continue to vote for Maduro because he is not one of the oligarchs - while at the same time they are suffering the consequences of a collapsing economy.

    What is needed is not a return to the oligarchs - but a government of working class and the poor masses - a government
    that will take the economy out of the hands of the oligarchs and use it to provide for the needs of the masses.

    Inicio
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    Workers Flee and Thieves Loot Venezuela’s Reeling Oil Giant

    Quote Originally Posted by making waves View Post
    The Committee for a Workers International welcomed the election of Chavez as a step forward for the Venezuelan working class and rural poor - but then pointed out the necessity to remove the oligarchs from their control of the economy - Chavez never attempted to do this. The CWI has been and continues to be highly critical of the policies pursued by Chavez and, more particularly by Maduro. Members of Izquierda Revolucionaria (the sister party of the Socialist Party) have faced repression from the Maduro regime - IR has a certain base of support among some sections of the working class and has been campaigning against the repressive polices of Maduro and in support of a Left Opposition to Maduro - while at the same time warning that a return of the oligarchs would lead to a bonapartist regime of brutal reprisals and repression.


    The main reason for the crisis is the unrelenting attacks on Venezuela by US and European imperialist interests - the policies of Chavez and particularly Maduro have subjugated the government to these attacks and rather than operating in the interests of the working class - instead they have operated in the interests of preserving their regime.


    The working class and the rural poor know that a return of the oligarchs will result in a brutal carnival of reaction - they continue to vote for Maduro because he is not one of the oligarchs - while at the same time they are suffering the consequences of a collapsing economy.

    What is needed is not a return to the oligarchs - but a government of working class and the poor masses - a government
    that will take the economy out of the hands of the oligarchs and use it to provide for the needs of the masses.

    Inicio
    This is what the poor and the working class are doing at the moment to survive. The former leaders of the oil industry left a long time ago as well as the most skilled engineers - because they had the funds to get out and the skills to get well paid employment in the industry in other countries. Now EVERYTHING is collapsing - as per the New York Times.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/w...l-economy.html
    Workers Flee and Thieves Loot Venezuela’s Reeling Oil Giant by William Neuman and Clifford Krauss

    ......Thousands of workers are fleeing Venezuela’s state-owned oil company, abandoning once-coveted jobs made worthless by the worst inflation in the world. And now the hemorrhaging is threatening the nation’s chances of overcoming its long economic collapse.

    Desperate oil workers and criminals are also stripping the oil company of vital equipment, vehicles, pumps and copper wiring, carrying off whatever they can to make money. The double drain — of people and hardware — is further crippling a company that has been teetering for years yet remains the country’s most important source of income........

    Oil executives cite the difficulty of working in Venezuela as social conditions decline. “People are starving,” said Eldar Saetre, chief executive of Equinor, the Norwegian oil giant that works with Pdvsa. ............

    Then there is the theft of essential equipment. A tour of oil installations around El Tigre showed a devastating toll. At several pumping stations and tank facilities, thieves had torn apart electrical installations to strip out the copper cable. At one site, nine electrical transformers had been torn from posts, their copper parts gutted, disabling vital control systems. Many pump jacks were idle. At one well, the motor had been stolen, shutting it down.........Workers said they did not know who was behind the thefts. They said criminal gangs might be to blame, but some acknowledged that dismantling live electrical systems required a knowledge that workers or former workers would possess.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstar 62 View Post
    Venezuelan security forces have carried out hundreds of arbitrary killings under
    the guise of fighting crime, the UN says in a new report.

    The UN's human rights body says it has credible accounts of security forces
    raiding poor neighbourhoods and killing young men, often in their homes.

    The rule of law was "virtually absent" in the country, UN human rights chief
    Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein said.

    This is Jeremy Corbyn's Socialist nirvana....
    Yet you defend Israel? You joker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilbarry1 View Post
    This is what the poor and the working class are doing at the moment to survive. The former leaders of the oil industry left a long time ago as well as the most skilled engineers - because they had the funds to get out and the skills to get well paid employment in the industry in other countries. Now EVERYTHING is collapsing - as per the New York Times.
    And ?

    Have you read nothing that I wrote above ?
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