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Thread: Israeli court jails Arab man for pretending to be Jewish: 'rape by deception'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    So you do think it's ok to obtain sex by deception?
    People do it all the time - everywhere. The only time that there is no deception is when it is straight out prostitution.

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    Considering in this country the fianna fail nominee to the supreme court ruled the other week that a man who had fathered 2 kids be allowed to change his birth-cert to show he is now a lady, you would wonder where the freakshow is occuring. I wonder if "Lydia" Foy tricked into bed one of the israel haters on this thread would we see the same attitude towards sex by deception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    It's a crime in different countries. Why is it such a big deal that Israel have it? Are the UK and US racists as well for having similar laws?
    Actually this wouldn't be rape under English common law. Deception as to actual identity (Sabbar Kashur pretends to be Benjamin Goldstein, the victim's Jewish boyfriend), yes. Deception as to a personal characteristic or quality (Arab man pretends to be Jewish), no.

    Do you guys think it's ok to obtain sex by deception?
    "Ok" and "legal" are two different things.

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    It's fairly shocking alright.

    Not unusual in the Middle East unfortunately but Israel is supposed to be a free democracy and above this inherent institutional racism.
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    It's a crime there to obtain sex by deception. It's a crime in other countries. This man obtained sex by deception. Why are Israel racists for prosecuting that?

    Now if you know of similar claims by non-jewish men or women which were ignored by the Israeli authorities then you've got a claim for racism. Right now you've just got "Man convicted of committing a crime in a country."

    And we're right back to the point 90% of the threads on the middle east end up, with people just talking about how much they dislike Israelis/Arabs/Klingons.
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    Wonder if he faked being circumcised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    So you do think it's ok to obtain sex by deception?
    You've obviously never been a 'pilot'...
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    It's a crime there to obtain sex by deception. It's a crime in other countries. This man obtained sex by deception. Why are Israel racists for prosecuting that?
    I'll repeat my question: Can you provide examples from any other nation of someone successfully prosecuting a person they had sex with, on the basis that that person had lied about their ethnicity/religion?

    It's a crime for women to be in the company of unrelated men in Saudi Arabia. It's a crime to have homosexual sex in lots of countries. You see threads on such subjects all the time: just because a law exists does not mean people elsewhere are not allowed to have an opinion on it. So your 'picking on Israel' line is just so much tired apologist nonsense, as is your (unproven) claim that someone could have been prosecuted for similar 'crimes' in lots of countries, including hte UK and US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthforsooth View Post
    Wonder if he faked being circumcised?
    Muslum are circumcised too I thought?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    It's a crime there to obtain sex by deception. It's a crime in other countries.
    So, if more than one country has a backward fundamentalist law (that could never be really enforced except on the odd scapegoat) then its OK?

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