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    Children get stab proof vests for school

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/view/2922

    More joys of multi-culturalism.


    WORRIED parents are kitting out schoolchildren with stab vests because of the growing violence on Britain’s streets.

    The number of families sending youngsters out with the extraordinary body protection has rocketed, since a series of highly publicised stabbings.

    This is a major embarrassment for the Government, which had promised to make our streets safe.

    The trend emerged as police leaders warned yesterday that knife offenders are increasingly escaping justice because of legal loopholes.


    It has already sold 50 vests suitable for children, mainly in London, where there has been a series of fatal stabbings, including those of teenagers Kodjo Yenga and Adam Regis. One mother, who bought a vest for her 13-year-old daughter, said: “It’s very expensive and we do not have a lot of money but I have no choice





    Schools told not to punish bullying victims.


    http://education.independent.co.uk/news ... 396013.ece


    Children should not be expelled from school for fighting back against bullies, MPs said yesterday.

    The Commons Education Select Committee expressed concern that some victims of bullying were being thrown out for retaliating. They said pupils should help decide how to punish playground bullies and called on ministers to tell schools not to exclude children who have been victims.

    In a new report, the Committee said: "We are concerned to hear that some schools are excluding the victims of bullying on health and safety grounds. Violence in retaliation against bullying is unacceptable and schools are right to discipline the perpetrators of violence.

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    Re: Children get stab proof vests for school

    (1) Change your reading material; those articles are journalism of the lowest order. (50 is not a 'trend' by any stretch of the imagination, and pupils should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis).

    (2) Cut out the casual "the xenophobia please.

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    Dont be so santimonious, if their has been a spate of stabbings and murders in schools thats a trend. Previously such things were unheard of.


    Xeno'phobia'..(irrational fear of an alian culture)if their is such a word in this case is fully justified.


    "Supplier VestGuard UK said it has had more than 100 calls from anxious families in the last few weeks – compared to one or two a year – even though the vests cost £300 to £425."


    And these incidents are fully linked to multi-culturalism...

    "Black young people at the heart of this culture of violence"


    A black person writes :


    "The problem is that so many black men won't take any responsibility for themsleves or their actions, fathering children by multiple mothers, contributing nothing, and then being excused by writers like Ms. Webbe, who see racism everywhere. To change anything, you have to stop making excuses and shoulder the responsibility. That is true of anything, whether it is running a business or staying out of trouble.

    Drugs are definitely a major part of the problem, and much of the attendant violence is fuelled by Jamaican Yardies. "


    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/cla ... _more.html

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... gP7Pj2387g



    Every week in London 52 teenagers are victims of knife crime, according to the Metropolitan Police. A child is stabbed to death in Britain every two weeks and knife killings outnumber gun homicides three to one, said Norman Brennan, a police officer and director of the Victims of Crime Trust.

    ``Knife crime is out of control and kids carry them like fashion accessories,'' Brennan said. The youngest child to be suspended from school for brandishing a blade was just five.

    Last week two teenagers were knifed to death in London. Adam Regis, 15, was attacked March 17 on his way home from the movies in Newham, an east London borough that is being regenerated by the 2012 Olympics. He called his girlfriend for help as he bled to death, police said.

    Three days earlier, Kodjo Yenga, 16, was stabbed to death as a gang of boys and girls chanted ``Kill him, kill him'' in Hammersmith, west London, where homes sell for more than 1 million pounds, eyewitnesses said.

    Gang Culture

    Statistics indicate that more children are reaching for blades as gang culture spreads. Some 42 percent of boys aged between 11 and 16 in state-funded schools admit to having carried a knife, according to the Youth Justice Board, which oversees punishment of child offenders.

    Natashia Jackman, then 15, was stabbed in the eye with a pair of scissors at Collingwood College in Camberley, Surrey, by a 14- year-old girl who didn't like her taste in music.

    ``I came from a private school,'' Natashia said in court, according to a transcript of her testimony. ``When I started realizing that there were gangs and when I realized that stabbing was common in state schools, then I started worrying about it.''

    Her assailant was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in jail in December.

    Some students have brought machetes, combat knives, swords and sharpened screwdrivers at school, police say. Girls have been caught with blades hidden in lipstick and mascara tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry666
    Dont be so santimonious...
    Sanctimonious? It wasn’t clearly wasn’t sanctimonious enough.

    WORRIED parents are kitting out schoolchildren with stab vests because of the growing violence on Britain’s streets.
    Note the use of the adjective ‘worried’ in bold capitals. Got to get that idea of 'fear' out straight away.
    The number of families sending youngsters out with the extraordinary body protection has rocketed, since a series of highly publicised stabbings.
    In conjunction with the phrase ‘growing violence on Britain’s streets’ the verb ‘rocketed’ makes this sound like a Britain-wide phenomenon.
    This is a major embarrassment for the Government, which had promised to make our streets safe.
    A whole sentence which is a dangling modifier – oh dear. Are the government embarrassed because some parents feel that they have to wear stab vests or because crime is rising. I doesn’t really matter because this journalist has not supplied any facts or figures, surveys, to back up their work, so the ‘growing violence’ is a nebulous notion.
    The trend emerged as police leaders warned yesterday that knife offenders are increasingly escaping justice because of legal loopholes.
    Police Leaders? I thought that police officers had ranks.
    Officers, in order to prosecute, have to prove that someone is carrying a blade for illegal use. The Police Federation called for a change, putting the onus on yobs to prove they are carrying knives innocently.
    All going well until they use the word ‘yobs’ which is an unhelpful pejorative here. Someone who is classed as a ‘yob’ inherently doesn’t carry knives innocently and so the sentence is suggesting that anyone who carries a knife should be liable for prosecution. However, the article does not deal with the legal problem to changing the law with people who, let's say, buy a set of knives for the kitchen and are carrying them home, or are a scout on camp, or are a carpet-fitter etc. etc. etc. It’s seeking to make the issue black and white, which it isn’t.
    Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: “This is a consequence of having very little police presence on our streets and in our communities to detect and deter violent crime.
    “While our police are tied up in red tape, innocent children are having to wear police equipment to protect themselves.
    “The fact that parents are having to resort to spending large amounts of money on such drastic measures betrays the Government’s failure to get a grip on violent crime.”
    Supplier VestGuard UK said it has had more than 100 calls from anxious families in the last few weeks – compared to one or two a year – even though the vests cost £300 to £425. It has already sold 50 vests suitable for children, mainly in London, where there has been a series of fatal stabbings, including those of teenagers Kodjo Yenga and Adam Regis.

    Again with the use of unwarranted, fear-mongering adjectives: “anxious families”. Firstly the journalist has only rung one company which has sold 50 vests. 50 vests in London is statistically insignificant - not a 'trend' as suggested eariler (and the trend was referring to the trend of children wearing vests). Secondly, he doesn’t mention any other suppliers, so this might possibly be the only supplier of this specialty item. Thirdly he says ‘100 calls…in the last weeks’, which suggests knee-jerk reaction.
    One mother, who bought a vest for her 13-year-old. “I can’t let my child go out and be killed. I will do anything I can to defend her.
    She doesn’t like wearing the vest and says it is heavy, but I force her to wear it. I said, ‘Life comes first’.

    I will force my child to wear an uncomfortable heavy item on the off chance that someone might stab her even if it will probably cause her back problems…because, wait for it: “life comes first”. This woman (if she is real) is a BAD parent. Full stop. She is a sad indictment of the level of fear-mongering papers like the Express engender, and I feel for her child.
    VestGuard sales director Shaun Ward said: “People are concerned by what is happening on the streets. A 13-year-old girl has been our youngest customer but most are about 15 or 16. Most of the calls have been from London.”Home Office minister Vernon Coaker, giving evidence to the Commons Home Affairs Committee yesterday, repeated the Government’s refusal to introduce mandatory jail for those caught carrying knives.I would imagine that the VestGuard sales director rang the Express, or that this journalist is his buddy. This was nothing short of propaganda for his company with the paper even publishing the prices.
    This is not journalism. It is the work of a hack on a biased rag written for gullible toe-rags to lap up..... :wink:

    Was that condescending enough for you.

    Anyway - what's your point here?

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    Multi-culturalism, and the appeasement of certain behaviour because it is often committed by those of a different culture/race, and the fact challenging aspects of this culture could be seen as 'racism' has led to this situation.

    As has people stating it should just be ignored because its not really happening, like yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry666
    Multi-culturalism, and the appeasement of certain behaviour because it is often committed by those of a different culture/race, and the fact challenging aspects of this culture could be seen as 'racism' has led to this situation.

    As has people stating it should just be ignored because its not really happening, like yourself.
    Nobody allows criminal behaviour because it is often committed by those of a different culture/race.

    Challenging is fine as long as you properly identify problems (i.e. with facts and figures) and reasonable solutions. The reason that much of the 'anti-immigration' band are classed as racist is that they usually (but no always) offer scant anecdotal information, and do not sustaniate their arguments, making them sound like people with an agenda rather people who are really 'concerned'. Twisting a badly-written story about a miniscule about of knee-jerk reaction by idiotic parents into a diatribe about multi-culturalism is one such example.

    I never said multi-cuturalism should be ignored. That would be a disaster. We should do our best to integrate.

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    The police turn a blind eye to mugging because they are told to by their political masters, because stopping suspects is condemed as 'racism'.

    The same with street drug dealing.

    In Brixton Police dogs were banned bewcause some black criminals said it reminded them of slavery, certain drugs in Brixton were de-crimialised because of multi-culturalism.



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1885657.stm


    The "softly, softly" approach to cannabis possession in Lambeth will continue, says the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir John Stevens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry666
    The police turn a blind eye to mugging because they are told to by their political masters, because stopping suspects is condemed as 'racism'.
    The article doesn't say that. Which 'political masters'? And, saying the police are turning the blind eye to violent crime to is a serious allegation. I assume you have some hard evidence to back it up?


    In Brixton Police dogs were banned bewcause some black criminals said it reminded them of slavery, certain drugs in Brixton were de-crimialised because of multi-culturalism.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1885657.stm
    WTF! This 'story' is from 2002 - 5 years ago. F*ck off Terry.


    The "softly, softly" approach to cannabis possession in Lambeth will continue, says the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir John Stevens.[/quote]

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