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About LinkBacksAnother retreat to the warm embrace of comforting tautology, how surprising.Originally Posted by pinemartin
Another retreat to the warm embrace of comforting tautology, how surprising.
I do not think it is so easy.
Could you tell me the name of this dead Irishman?
I am not sure a lasting settlement is possible.
There are hypothetical scenarios were the troubles could end. It is just that a peace process would requires so many variables to come together at once. The likelihood of all these occurring is almost non-existent.
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Agreed. I misunderstood what you meant by endgame - thinking you meant some kind of strategy that the Israelis were bringing to an end, rather than the end of the line.
On the other hand, as long as the EU and US let their spoilt little kid run riot - and recent news is that the EU is seriously considering upgrading relations with Israel, despite everything - the endgame could last an awful long time, and cause an awful lot more misery for everyone concerned.
The EU attempts to upgrade relations with everyone all the time. It is a capitalist trade block and always on the look out to make some money.
Are you opposed to the EU upgrading relations with Israel what about Iran or Chile or South Africa?
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why do you want his name?I do not think it is so easy.
Could you tell me the name of this dead Irishman?
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Do you answer every question with another question?
for me, Yes , and I also am opposed to the EU not demoting it's relationship with Israel to the same level as it operates on with other dangerous regimes.
You'd be hard put to justify the colonisation of the OT using any other argument than some form of paternalism yourself.
I find your refusal to refer to the various states and peoples there as anything other than 'the Arabs' racist in tone.
Even if that were entirely true, does it excuse their treatment of those Palestinians in the OT? However.....
link (my bold)According to the annual report of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), published on 8 December 2007, racism against Palestinian citizens of Israel has dramatically increased in the past year, including a 26 percent rise in anti-Arab incidents.
The annual report cites ACRI's racism poll, taken in March of 2007, in which 50 percent of Israelis taking part stated they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes.
Fifty percent of those polled also stated they believed Israel should encourage its Arab citizens to emigrate.
The report includes a section dealing with the recently approved Jewish National Fund bill, which allows Jewish National Fund land—which make up 13 percent of all State owned land—to be allocated to Jews only.
BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Land struggle of Israel's BedouinOn the drive out of the modern Israeli city of Beer Sheva, the tin shacks scar the landscape. It is a shanty town as poor and depressing as anywhere in the world.
These are the homes of the proud Bedouin Arabs. Once the citizens of the desert, the Bedouin of southern Israel are now the poorest and unhealthiest citizens of the state of Israel.
The policy of Israel in the Negev and in other areas of the country is to 'Judaise' the land, " he said. "It does not mean that others will not exist here at all. It means Jewish settlements are favoured. In the Negev they have established seven townships, not to the liking of the population, against the cultural heritage of the population, and they have tried to concentrate as many Bedouin in those townships in order to vacate as much land as possible for mostly Jewish uses."
In its most extreme form, the Israeli policy denies there were any Bedouin here before the State of Israel was established. More usually, Israel resorts to a narrow legalism, the government arguing that the Bedouin have no rights to the land because they cannot produce the necessary documentation.
...notable, given that the Bedouin community fight in the IDF....
For Israel's Arab Citizens, Isolation and Exclusion - washingtonpost.comFor Israel's Arab Citizens, Isolation and Exclusion
By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, December 20, 2007
KARMIEL, Israel -- Fatina and Ahmad Zubeidat, young Arab citizens of Israel, met on the first day of class at the prestigious Bezalel arts and architecture academy in Jerusalem. Married last year, the couple rents an airy house here in the Galilee filled with stylish furniture and other modern grace notes.
But this is not where they wanted to live. They had hoped to be in Rakefet, a nearby town where 150 Jewish families live on state land close to the mall project Ahmad is building. After months of interviews and testing, the town's admission committee rejected the Arab couple on the grounds of "social incompatibility."
They petitioned Israel's high court to end such screening, claiming discrimination, a charge town officials are challenging.
"We can't just be good citizens," said Fatina, 27, who is expecting the couple's first child. "If they won't develop our villages, then we will choose where we want to live. The problem lies not with us, but with Jewish society that does not accept the other."
Etc, etc.
Is there no end in sight to the use of the Anti-Semite canard by those who seek to preserve Israel's oppressive practices ? Surely it's time to drop this farce and face to the legitimate criticism of others with some scraps of honesty ?.
PM's in-law calls Obama anti-Semite - Israel News, Ynetnews
Ben-Artzi went on to explain why Obama disliked Israel. "Not only does he dislike the prime minister, he dislikes the people of Israel. For 20 years Obama sat with Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who is anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli, and anti-Jewish," he said.
I don't know why you feel the need to defend what is unadorned antisemitism. Why do you defend it? You tell me.
It seems that neo-antisemites want all the joys and pleasures of antisemitism without any of the downside ie Having at least the honesty to fess up to the sin.
There isn't even a sliver of doubt as to Wrights antisemitism. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck even those in the deepest of denial, if they haven't the honesty to face the obvious themselves, need to have their noses rubbed in their own dung.
"On June 9, 2009, in an interview with the Daily Press of Newport News, Wright indicated that he hadn't had contact with Obama up to that point because "Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office." Wright also suggested that Obama did not send a delegation to the Durban Review Conference in Geneva, a conference "that had devolved into an anti-Jewish free-for-all" according to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency,[34] because of Jewish pressure saying: "[T]he Jewish vote, the A-I-P-A-C vote, that’s controlling him, that would not let him send representation to the Darfur Review Conference, that’s talking this craziness on this trip, cause they’re Zionists, they would not let him talk to someone who calls a spade what it is."[7] Writing for The Atlantic, Ta-Nehisi Coates characterized Wright's remarks as "crude conspiratorial antisemitism."
Obama didn't sit through 20 years of this guys howling at the moon and miss his rather obvious antisemitism, i refuse to believe anyone that thick could have picked up a democratic party nomination much less win the race.
In the above passage Wright makes it crystal clear that any distance Obama has put between them now is purely for political reasons. I see no reason not to take him at his word. To believe otherwise is akin to suggesting that Cardinal Brady really didn't know it was wrong to simply shift paedophiles around instead of putting clear blue water between him and them by alerting the civil authorities.
Obama couldn't have been in any doubt as to where Wright stood in relation to Jews and he remained on for 20 years. Wake up, antisemitism is alive and well and if this isn't an example of it in its unrefined glory then I don't know what is.
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