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About LinkBacks2 Israeli ships. I'm sure they're evacuating Tehran as we speak. We'll know its coming when they hit Lebanon.Originally Posted by Bi ciuin
2 Israeli ships. I'm sure they're evacuating Tehran as we speak. We'll know its coming when they hit Lebanon.
So BlackWatch wants to engage in mass genocide of Iranians. At least nobody can doubt where he stands in the scheme of things. By the way BalckWatch there is 66 million Iranians in Iran according to infoplease.com.
So you share BlackWatch's side of the moral spectrum, 'kill em all' philosophy. Only you are on the other side of the court. According to infoplease.com there are 7 million people in Israel. So your blood bath would be smaller than BlackWatch's. But as your greatest peer once said "To kill one is a tragety, to kill a million is a statistic". So who cares just kill kill kill.
So if the Iranians are a regional superpower and they did not like 'The Black Taliban' why did they not just get rid of them, after all they are a great power aren't they? Do they prefer the new crowd in Afghanistan?
Man has Iran got some powerful allies! Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah the people that are always running and hiding from Israeli air strikes. None of them are actually beside Iran. Maybe they could sneak through southern Turkey or Northern Iraq and join up with the Iranians.
The militias in Iraq, they are the best of all, the Middle East equivalent to soccer hooligans, maybe they could blow up a few markets for the Iranians.
The good old Afghanis, well at least, unlike the others, they have managed to actually harm America by attacking their military central headquarters. So they would probably be Iran's most potent alley.
Yeah with allies like this there is nothing that could stand against you.
The Russians and Chinese have become very practical and non-ideological in recent times. Neither one of them could give a hoot how Iran runs it’s self nor how it behaves out side of their interests. In many respects it is a three-way relationship Iran pumps oil, sells it to China for money and uses the money to buy Russian weapons. China needs the oil to increase its industrial base. Russia needs some stupid gimp to buy its weapons in order to justify advanced armaments research. It is a win win relationship with Iran drawing the shortest straw. Decades down the road Iran is going to be out of oil and have SFA besides piles of then obsolete Russian weapons to show for its oil revenue.
Iran is not a regional powerhouse and I do not consider how you can call it that. It is utterly dependent on foreigners for everything and the influence that it does have in the Middle East is because of how weak and divided the region as a whole is.
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Hezbullah successfully defeated and expelled one of the worlds most advanced armies in 2006 using asymmetrical warfare. Hezbullah has over 50,000 rockets that can devastate Israel.
The pro-Iranian militias in Iraq specifically the Badr Brigade and Mahdi Army defeated the US Army in the first battle of Fallujah in 2004. That was without the weapons Iran has since given them and facing horrific chemical retaliation. If Iran was attacked next week, these people would go to war with US forces in Iraq, only several times the strength of 2004. They would cut off U.S. logistics in Southern Iraq then move on U.S. forces in the North. Nowadays they have MANPAD's and ATGM's that will mangle US choppers and tanks. They practically run the Iraqi army. They'll provide GPS co-ordinates for Iranian MRBM's.The militias in Iraq, they are the best of all, the Middle East equivalent to soccer hooligans, maybe they could blow up a few markets for the Iranians.
By the end of the first few weeks there'll be 200,000 of them (Theres already 160,000). After attacking U.S. Forces in Iraq, they'll next all all likelihood hit the Kaaot oil platform. This will severely if not outright stop U.S. Naval operations in the Persian Gulf. It'll also by the same measure affect the transit of oil.
All of this is before the Iranian army, its suicide squads or its special forces even lace up their boots.
The only reason the Afghans appear to be any more significant in that regard than Irans Iraqi proxy armies is because it is currently and has always been protocol for them to not engage US forces in Iraq. Again, the Mahdi Army and Badr Brigades have weapons the likes of which the Taliban would pull their eye teeth for - they're in South Iraq, they're just not ready to be used.The good old Afghanis, well at least, unlike the others, they have managed to actually harm America by attacking their military central headquarters. So they would probably be Iran's most potent alley.
The Iranians are well prepared defense wise. Iraq virtually belongs to them. They menace the Gulf with ACSM's. They can target oil refineries all over the region. In all likelihood they have chemical weapons. They have capable air-defense. They have millions of nutcases the majority of whom are military trained. Their regular army is 800,000 and they have 9 million paramilitary. The terrain makes an invasion a nightmare, but then nobody is in a position to invade Iran. They have half the Country tunnelled. Many of their complexes are invulnerable to all but a nuclear strike.Yeah with allies like this there is nothing that could stand against you.
All of this is why the anglo-americans have talkes ******************** for three years but haven't acted. They know they'll get a response.
Iran is in fact a regional powerhouse. The overthrow of the Shah was probably the biggest blow anglo-americans and their zionist cohorts have ever faced in that region.Iran is not a regional powerhouse and I do not consider how you can call it that. It is utterly dependent on foreigners for everything and the influence that it does have in the Middle East is because of how weak and divided the region as a whole is.
Well I think that was/is the point I am making
- Iran wants the west to know that if they attack it will hurt quite a bit.
The US & its allies know this -
But Iran also has areas of that are vulnerable to attack.
Her air force and navy would be gone within days.
The terrain of Iran means quite a lot of 'choke points' exist that are susceptable to interdiction and destruction.
She is almost entirely dependent on oil exports to fund an already shaky economy - a blockade would be disastrous and unsustainable for more than a few weeks.
She has no military allies at State level that can attack America or lend anything other than token support.
As for Syria they can and will do nothing
- if they attack Israel Damascus will get the Gaza treatment.
Hezbollah and Hamas (esp the former) would be a serious problem for Isreal but while they would cause the Israelis some losses they would not be enough to make her sue for peace - not even close.
The Israeli response would be savage - be under no illusions.
So so long as Washington DC is prepared to see it through (and it would be taotally daft not to if they Strike First) then Iran would have to buckle.
Be under no illusions that a war with Iran would be if not popular then be met with a level of grim satisfaction by many Americans
- esp in the ranks of the Military.
Europa Conventus Delenda Est
They've been rationing and increasing refining capacity since 2005. Make no mistake that when the Strait is closed and wells are attacked, the longer the flow stops, the more it'll hurt Irans enemies. However badly Iran is hurt in that regard, her enemies will suffer more. A lot has to be said for asymmetrical warfare as well. A religious nutcase is a very, very dangerous weapon if state-intelligence is whispering in his ear.She is almost entirely dependent on oil exports to fund an already shaky economy - a blockade would be disastrous and unsustainable for more than a few weeks.
You can bet Iran has sleeper cells in London and the USA.
Why would they hit Lebanon before bombing Iran?
Asymmetrical warfare is warfare for the weaker side. It is a cowardly sadistic way to fight, which inflicts immense suffering on the civilians of the side using it.
Hezbullah's rockets are nothing spectacular, people can transport them so they are light and have a minimal range and limited destructive capacity. Since they are so simplistic they are probably not very accurate either. Admittedly if Hezbullah's 10,000 or more agents were able to fire all of them at once into Israel there would be quite a lot of damage, many housing estates and apartments would be burnt to the ground along with other civil structures, civilian casualties would be quite high.
But would Hezbullah be able to fire all of these rockets into Israel? They would have to co-ordinate 10,000 or more individuals to simultaneously set up the 50,000 rockets within firing range of Israel, in other words right on Israelis border or very close to it. And they would have to do this without the Israeli army coming to know about it, extremely difficult given Israel is a particularly paranoid country that no doubt has spy satellites and reconnaissance aircraft and drones constantly watching it's border. Thousands of guys running around with portable rockets would not be able to operate unobserved by the Israelis.
Even if Hezbullah succeed what would they accomplice? They would accomplice mass Israeli civilian causalities that would serve to motivate the Israeli army towards retribution. Small time temporary damage to some Israeli airfields and military equipment. It would change nothing for Iran since they do not have any conventional armies on Israelis borders and would not be able to follow through.
Border-Rat you must really stop using all these acronyms without explaining them. What are a MANPAD, ATGM, MRBM and ACSM?
If the Iraqi militias and Badr Brigade and Mahdi Army were as unified and well trained and equipped as you say they are they would have already evicted the US army. I think you are just blowing smoke.
Tell me Border-Rat do you really think that there are enormous numbers of well-trained Iranian suicide squads? There are probably some but the Iranians are not some strange alien creatures that live solely to martyr themselves for governments and theocrats. They are not dissimilar to people like you and me. There was the same BS pushed around before America went into Afghanistan and it did not transpire.
Iran is in a much stronger position than Iraq was particularly with geography. There probably are many underground tunnels and bunker complexes that the US does not know about. They probably do have chemical weapons but it has been demonstrated that such weapons are nearly useless against armies; they are only useful against civilian populaces. Which is why many international organizations seek to ban them. Their air-defence missiles are made in Russia. They only have a limited number of them to deploy. Once they have used them all they are gone until the Russians send them a new shipment.
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Just out of curiosity who are Iran's enemies besides the USA and Israel? Are Iran's enemies anyone that imports oil? Because a long blockade will hurt anyone that imports gulf oil, which is most people.
A few sleeper cells in the west causing terrorism will only give justification to an Iranian blockade.
If Iran goes down the road of using religious nutcase suicide bombers then it will be justifying any pre-emptive attack that prevents them developing nuclear weapons.
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Blood baths happen all around Palestine. Whats the common denominator ?
Common denominator, Palestinians need their own separate sovereign state, the internal workings of which are the exclusive property of the Palestinians and which are kept outside of foreign hands with exception of the UN which would oversee the formation of Palestine’s institutions. An initial UN garrison to keep law and order would also be a good idea until a judiciary and reliable police department is formed. The missiles being stockpiled by Hezbullah would have to go before the UN left.
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So you support the disbandment of the settlements, I take it ?
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