Google to leave China?

[Christine Murray]

The Irish Times was just recycling stuff from Reuters as the IT hasn't anyone with a clue about Search or its technology capable of doing the analysis. There is one uncomfortable fact about Google in the Asia-Pacific region market - it doesn't have quite the market share it has in US and Europe (Google probably has around 85-95% of the Irish search market). Baidu is the leading search engine in some of the countries in the region. The whole censorship angle is a nice one to break on from a PR point of view. But I'd think that there was a more business based thinking at work in Google's decision.

Regards...jmcc

so the hacking didn't pee them off in the slightest, what was Hilary giving it then?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8472683.stm

[jmcc]

so the hacking didn't pee them off in the slightest, what was Hilary giving it then?

The hacking did upset them but business is important to Google. Some of Google's revenue comes from Adwords/Adsense. The Chinese want to control its market and Google wants to dominate it. As for Hilary, that's just the politics of the market.

Regards...jmcc

[Christine Murray]

The hacking did upset them but business is important to Google. Some of Google's revenue comes from Adwords/Adsense. The Chinese want to control its market and Google wants to dominate it. As for Hilary, that's just the politics of the market.

Regards...jmcc

I put up a thread on their consultation with the NSA , which would pretty much point to them being well
pi'ssed-off indeed ! (goes off to find thread link)

EDIT : http://www.politics.ie/education-sci...ompetence.html

(T'was there amongst the Anti-Trust and GBS stuff !!!!)

[Christine Murray]

Google have moved their Chinese search engine google.cn to Hong Kong >>> google.com.hk

This is doing the Twitter rounds, so Reuters report here : Google moves China search service to Hong Kong | Reuters
Irish Independent reportage here : http://www.independent.ie/breaking-n...s-2107464.html

[jmcc]

Google have moved their Chinese search engine google.cn to Japan >>> google.com.hk

To Hong Kong (Japan's country code TLD is .jp). It is a very interesting move as it isn't quite out of the Chinese market but it is in the SAR. The next move is up to the Chinese government - do they completely block Google or do they try to limit Google. Nice powerplay.

Regards...jmcc

[Christine Murray]

To Hong Kong (Japan's country code TLD is .jp). It is a very interesting move as it isn't quite out of the Chinese market but it is in the SAR. The next move is up to the Chinese government - do they completely block Google or do they try to limit Google. Nice powerplay.



Regards...jmcc

fixed that, thanks


going by the growling and their attempts to introduce mandatory filtration systems (which didn't work ), I
reckon they are going for the complete blockage negotiating stance.

dunno if Google is game though, probably more interested in just getting the thing running without the bullsh'it.
Heres the Irish Times : http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...reaking65.html

[jmcc]

fixed that, thanks


going by the growling and their attempts to introduce mandatory filtration systems (which didn't work ), I
reckon they are going for the complete blockage negotiating stance.

It is definitely upping the ante. At this stage, the Chinese probably understand how useful access to search data is in terms of intelligence. To date, the Chinese have been able to more or less dictate terms to anyone wishing to access the Chinese market (Murdoch dropping BBC from his range of channels in his service aimed at China a few years ago was a good example of their bargaining power). But with Google, they don't have quite the same leverage.

dunno if Google is game though, probably more interested in just getting the thing running without the bullsh'it.

Clauswitz said that war is the continuation of state policy by other means. Marketing may be one of them.

Regards...jmcc

[jmcc]

This is how it is being discussed amongst those in the industry:
Google Pulls Back From China, Redirects Google.cn to google.com.hk

Regards...jmcc

[Christine Murray]

Guardiantech is looking at the great Firewall and broken links in Chinese censorship : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...rship-internet They (GT) have a good Twitter : http://www.twitter.com/guardiantech

Chinese reaction to the server move here >> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...n-1925547.html / http://www.channel4.com/news/article...orship/3587262


Video here >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/vide...ulls-out-china

[Christine Murray]

To Hong Kong (Japan's country code TLD is .jp). It is a very interesting move as it isn't quite out of the Chinese market but it is in the SAR. The next move is up to the Chinese government - do they completely block Google or do they try to limit Google. Nice powerplay.

Regards...jmcc

The ante is upped alright, funnily enough its almost like a diplomatic type incident : China response 'took Google by surprise' | Technology | guardian.co.uk