Black people fled to USSR from US bigotry and linch mobs

[Ifor Bach]

You seem to be Polish, so maybe you actually believe that. But let me assure you that everyone of those states has tortured, jailed an executed political dissidents.

Sure, they have done so in the past.

But if the Irish state, 'torture, jail and execute political dissidents', why are you left free to spout any bollix that comes into your 'mind'.

Or to they believe you too ridiculous to be worthy of their attention?

[eyeswideopen]

Ssh, Cael will get upset and say you are biased!!

Anyone able to point out a communist state that was successfull without needing to imprison, restrict movement of, or murder dissedents, monorities, or those that did not beleive in the system ?

That is as one-sided a cardboard cut-out as Cael's. A million Iraqi's are estimated to have died in the last ten years to satisfy our addiction to cheap oil. There has been one US backed dictatorship after another in Latin America. The US now officially endorses torture.
A billion people in capitalist countries are on the verge of starvation.

[BlackWatch]

This should be in the history section.

[Kev408]

This should be in the history section.

The History Section aspires to reality.

[Kev408]

This should be in the history section.

The History Section aspires to reality.

[Cael]

That is as one-sided a cardboard cut-out as Cael's.

I dont know why you are saying that I have given a cardboard cut out description. I have criticised the Communist regimes and talked about the corruption in them. What Im saying is that they achieved huge social benefits for working class people. Thats the point that RTE and the right wing posters here are trying to deny. What one realises when watching George Lee's program is that benefits for the working class, such as secure jobs and housing, free health care and child care, and cheap entry to the theatre and ballet, are of no interest to Lee. He considers them non-factors, as do his right wing cheerleaders. Why is that? Of course, its because Lee does not regard working class people as real people. Only the professional classes and the landowners and bankers are real people. And, it is mostly these people who had a problem with Communism. So, in Lee's eyes, communism was or is against people, full stop.

[sandar]

Thats absolute bollocks. The USSR was far more tolerant of its ethnic minorities than the USA ever was. FFS, Stalin as Commissar for Ethnic Minorities in the 1920s drew up the SSR's/ASSR's/Oblasts and Okrugs to cater for the many different ethnic groups in the USSR. The Jews were given a homeland in the Amur Region (Biorbidzhan) in the 1920s long before Israel came into being. The Jewish Autonomous Oblast is still there and thriving. Even the Volga Germans has their own ASSR. It was payback to many of the nationalities who had supported the Bolsheviks in the Revolution and Civil War. Many prominent non Russians went on to serve in the higher echelons of the Soviet administration, Beria (Georgian), Kaganovich, Zinoviev, Kamenev (Jews) Kruschev (Ukrainian) and Stalin (Georgian) as was Eduard Shevernadze, Haidar Aliyev (Azeri), Dzerzhinsky (Polish) and Alfreds Rubiks (Latvian) who is now an MEP.
How in the name of Moses was the USSR racist. Far from it. t couldnt be, it was made up of so many different nationalities.

Here's a map of the USSR. See how each ethnic group had widespread autonomy. Now compare that to the US.




show your stats to the georgians and the chechensand the ukranians.....the ill treatment of the jews was more at regional levekl than national policy............

[eyeswideopen]

I dont know why you are saying that I have given a cardboard cut out description. I have criticised the Communist regimes and talked about the corruption in them. What Im saying is that they achieved huge social benefits for working class people. Thats the point that RTE and the right wing posters here are trying to deny. What one realises when watching George Lee's program is that benefits for the working class, such as secure jobs and housing, free health care and child care, and cheap entry to the theatre and ballet, are of no interest to Lee. He considers them non-factors, as do his right wing cheerleaders. Why is that? Of course, its because Lee does not regard working class people as real people. Only the professional classes and the landowners and bankers are real people. And, it is mostly these people who had a problem with Communism. So, in Lee's eyes, communism was or is against people, full stop.

And I've previously thanked you for similar posts on this and other threads.

Lenin said on numerous occasions that he didn't expect Russia to survive as a workers' state without a revolution in Germany or other major developed countries. It is testimony to enormous efforts and sacrifices by workers internationally that the USSR and other workers states survived as long as they did. The US, in order to eventually break them down, invested a vast amount of resources, with its own people on a stagnant income level for the last 30 years and now faced with a national debt of many trillions and a declining currency.

The problems imo were made worse, and many opportunities lost, by political errors of Stalinism, that adopted a fixed view of social development (stages theory) and promoted the idea of "socialism in one country". The Stalinist bureaucracy had a vested interest in resisting change, as its own status was based largely on economic underdevelopment and peoples' feeling that a "strong leadership" was needed to defend the USSR from the West.

[Verhofstadt]

Didn't that old expression about Time magazine go like this: "Life is for people who don't read and Time is for people who don't think"? Don't forget that Time also had Adolph Hitler as its "Time Man Of The Year".

Regards...jmcc

Correct, In 1938!

Followed by Joe Stalin in 1939 (he "won" again in 1942)

Time Person of the Year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bob3344]

Good comment today from Myers on Irish communist cheerleaders & their general lack of shame.

A young Irish student there named O hEithir -- the son of the RTE broadcaster Brendan -- introduced me to some of his Czech friends. They knew nothing about Ireland, save the Workers Party, which they detested. "What are these people, the Irish Workers Party?" asked one, with the others listening in, and nodding in agreement. "Why do they come here, telling us we live in a socialist paradise? We live in poverty and humiliation, and they come here for a week, are shown the most touristic parts of imperial Prague by communist party hacks, they tell us how lucky we are, and then they go home. Bastards."

Twenty years ago, when tyranny and armies of secret police oppressed the peoples of eastern Europe, where stood the Irish left? And does it make them feel proud today, that in the one great example of right and wrong in European politics in their entire lifetimes, they stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the apparatchiks of the Soviet Union?

So, what precisely is the enlightened, socialist, principle which causes a "democrat" to defend foreign, autocratic regimes from demands from democrats for democracy within their own countries?

Kevin Myers: Stalinists thought they had got away with the Big Lie - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie