Black people fled to USSR from US bigotry and linch mobs

[Telemachus]

Robert Conquest, who suggested 20 million deaths in his, 'Black Book of Communism' regard this as an underestimate.

The true figure for deaths under the Soviet Union may have been as high as 60 million.

Yeah of course, i've read plenty on the gulags, of course never mind Mao and the Nutter in north korea, 10's of millions of deaths there. Cael, read the parable of the workers in the vineyard again, please.

[Kev408]

They're citing Time from 1931, and wikipedia (which, ironically, Cael has quite correctly denounced as a source of any usefulness). I'm out of this thread.

[wexfordman]

This may help a little in your education.

Population transfer in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Btw, the majority of people in the city where I live over the age of 60 were victims of Stalin's ethnic cleansing after WW2.

Herded without notice into cattle trucks at leaving their homes and possessions behind.

Ssh, Cael will get upset and say you are biased!!

Anyone able to point out a communist state that was successfull without needing to imprison, restrict movement of, or murder dissedents, monorities, or those that did not beleive in the system ?

[Cael]

Seems the USSR wasn't that different from the US when it came to race in the 1960's. At least the US was moving in the right direction then.

"By the mid-1960s many more African countries had 'son independence and could send athletes to the Soviet International Sports Festival held in the Ukraine. This created uproar among the local population. who had picked up the image - left over from slavery times in the US - of Black men as insatiable sexual athletes. The US slavers had responded to this myth by hanging hundreds of Black men. The authorities in 1960s USSR responded by decreeing that Black visitors should not go out after 8pm - for their own safety."

EAST MEETS WEST - NI 211 - Black in the USSR

I think your post just shows the level of ignorance and superstition the Soviet authorities were up against - ignorance and superstition that is now, once again, given full reign under capitalism.

[Cael]

I think even the most unthinking brain-dead of us know that 'communism' as a concept or ideology is wonderful. But that's all it is - an ideology. Once human beings become involved other factors come in to play. Pride, fallibility, insecurity, megalomania and so on.

Cael, as long as humans are involved communism will never succeed. Capitalism is the least destructive of the ideologies - only millions die through greed. Communism murders in tens of millions, and those dead were never happy.

Certainly, the transition from Capitalism to Communism can be very violent. When the USSR tried to nationalise the land, the Kulacks started killing party officials and killed half of all the live stock in the USSR and destroyed most of the grain, leading to wide spread famine. The Soviets then started killing the Kulacks.

But that process was well over by the mid 1940s. Then there was WW2 which destroyed everything again. But by the 1950s, the USSR was a very stable society. As was the rest of Eastern Europe. There were no millions or even thousands being killed. But today, millions still die because of capitalism.

[Quinn Quinn]

Certainly, the transition from Capitalism to Communism can be very violent. When the USSR tried to nationalise the land, the Kulacks started killing party officials and killed half of all the live stock in the USSR and destroyed most of the grain, leading to wide spread famine. The Soviets then started killing the Kulacks.

But that process was well over by the mid 1940s. Then there was WW2 which destroyed everything again. But by the 1950s, the USSR was a very stable society. As was the rest of Eastern Europe. There were no millions or even thousands being killed. But today, millions still die because of capitalism.

so the Kulacks were the communists because they did the killing?

[Cael]

Ssh, Cael will get upset and say you are biased!!

Anyone able to point out a communist state that was successfull without needing to imprison, restrict movement of, or murder dissedents, monorities, or those that did not beleive in the system ?

Anyone heard of a capitalist state that was successful without needing to imprison, restrict movement of or murder dissidents (like tying them around land mines in Ireland), minorities or those who dont believe in the system?

[Cael]

so the Kulacks were the communists because they did the killing?

The Kulacks started the killing. That fact was even recorded by US observers at the time.

[Quinn Quinn]

Anyone heard of a capitalist state that was successful without needing to imprison, restrict movement of or murder dissidents (like tying them around land mines in Ireland), minorities or those who dont believe in the system?

yes but that was OIRA who were themselves leftist communists

[Ifor Bach]

Anyone heard of a capitalist state that was successful without needing to imprison, restrict movement of or murder dissidents (like tying them around land mines in Ireland), minorities or those who dont believe in the system?

The United Kingdom, the Republic of Ireland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain ,,,, and so on.