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    Quote Originally Posted by eyeswideopen View Post
    Russia offered university education to black people and supported national liberation movements, up to a point, among black populations.

    The US played catch-up - Obama's father and step-father were both beneficiaries of these US programmes in the 1960s.
    Communist Russia put on a theatre of support for fledgling leftist governments to needle the US, same as they did with the whole education thing and so on.

    Anyone who thinks it was anything other than propaganda is deluded. The USSR was a dictatorial, brutal regime. The USA might have it woeful record on race as well, but dont get sidetracked by anti - US Sentiment;millions headed to the US, not away from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    Thats absolute bollocks. The USSR was far more tolerant of its ethnic minorities than the USA ever was. FFS, Stalin as Commissar for Ethnic Minorities in the 1920s drew up the SSR's/ASSR's/Oblasts and Okrugs to cater for the many different ethnic groups in the USSR. The Jews were given a homeland in the Amur Region (Biorbidzhan) in the 1920s long before Israel came into being. The Jewish Autonomous Oblast is still there and thriving. Even the Volga Germans has their own ASSR. It was payback to many of the nationalities who had supported the Bolsheviks in the Revolution and Civil War. Many prominent non Russians went on to serve in the higher echelons of the Soviet administration, Beria (Georgian), Kaganovich, Zinoviev, Kamenev (Jews) Kruschev (Ukrainian) and Stalin (Georgian) as was Eduard Shevernadze, Haidar Aliyev (Azeri), Dzerzhinsky (Polish) and Alfreds Rubiks (Latvian) who is now an MEP.
    How in the name of Moses was the USSR racist. Far from it. t couldnt be, it was made up of so many different nationalities.
    Yes, indeed. And Stalin was so pleased with this homeland for the Jews that in 1953 he was planning to move all the Jews in the USSR there....those who were still alive that is. As for the Volga Germans, they-as the name obviously suggests-lived in the Volga region.Their new ASSR was not on the Volga. They were moved to their new home en masse. They didn't get a choice.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kev408 View Post
    They're citing Time from 1931, and wikipedia (which, ironically, Cael has quite correctly denounced as a source of any usefulness). I'm out of this thread.
    A Wikipedia entry is as bad or good as the person making the entry. The article in question is referenced. If you don't like it,find evidence to refute it. As for relying on Caels opinion of Wikipedia..if I recall another time he also denounced all academic Western (and indeed Russian) works, not just web sources, which contradicted his bizarre views.

    Quote Originally Posted by eyeswideopen View Post
    Where was the Soviet Union a "colonial power" ?
    It was Russia within the Soviet Union that was the colonial power. And The Soviet Union under Stalin imposed Russified Governments that were totally subservient to the USSR on the countries of Eastern Europe. These governments saw the interests of the USSR as being paramount. That's colonial practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm X View Post
    I'm not suprised any black person would want to flee AmeriKKKa.
    There is an African-American, 'black' president in the USA now. I wonder how long we will have to wait until there is a Jewish,Tartar or Chechen president of the Russian Federation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm X View Post
    I'm not suprised any black person would want to flee AmeriKKKa.
    Moron.

    Your beloved Malcolm X was the equivalent of the KKK.

    Your knowledge of him probably extends to owning a tee shirt with his face on it.

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    the soviet union invaded finland in the late thirteis to be a coloinial power, it also sent tanks onto the streets of hungry to keep its puppet regime in power...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by The OD View Post
    Communist Russia put on a theatre of support for fledgling leftist governments to needle the US, same as they did with the whole education thing and so on.

    Anyone who thinks it was anything other than propaganda is deluded. The USSR was a dictatorial, brutal regime. The USA might have it woeful record on race as well, but dont get sidetracked by anti - US Sentiment;millions headed to the US, not away from it.
    Millions headed to the US because of its economic power and the fact that it was not war torn.

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    The USSR was among the brutal evil regimes in all of history.

    The history of racism and discrimination experienced by blacks in the US is shocking and evil but it pales in comparison to the mass murder of millions of entirely innocent people by communist fanatics who controlled Russia and its satelites for 70 years.

    There is no redeeming features of the Soviet system whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandar View Post
    the soviet union invaded finland in the late thirteis to be a coloinial power, it also sent tanks onto the streets of hungry to keep its puppet regime in power...........
    Also East Germany and the Czech Republic. Russia under Stalin, as I said, treated the peripheral Eastern European states as a buffer zone. If you look at the historic maps, you'll see the Tzars did pretty much the same.

    Stalinism was a retrograde, parasitic tendency, that did enormous damage. It was not however colonialist in the same sense as Britain, France and the United States, which all in predatory fashion occupied and robbed territory all over the world. An example of the difference would be the Soviet backed democratic regime in Afghanistan, that in its clumsy way was trying to secularise and modernise the state, with education for women as a norm, as compared to Karzai, with his corrupt drug funded colleagues, putting through laws that make it legal to rape and starve your wife.

    The economic drive of capitalism is to extend into new territories to extract profit from their labour forces and raw materials. The workers state economy, although mixed in character, did not have that same drive.

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    I'm not suprised any black person would want to flee AmeriKKKa.
    Despite the appalling treatment of African-Americans by their white contemporaries, enormous numbers of blacks volunteered to fight in the US armed forces in World War 2 and many fought and died heroically in combat against the Nazis even though they experienced Jim-Crow from their white comrades. Many whites who had been racist changed their attitudes when they saw the heroism of so-called inferiors.
    The Korean War and the Vietnam War also saw huge numbers of blacks volunteering to fight for their country. Despite the myth of perpetrated by the Black Panthers and the anti-war movement the overwhelming majority of Americans who fought in the Vietnam War volunteered for duty and the black community in America were no exceptions.
    The vast majority of American blacks who campaigned for their rights never lost faith in the American dream and never questioned that they could achieve change through the democratic system and the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyeswideopen View Post
    Also East Germany and the Czech Republic. Russia under Stalin, as I said, treated the peripheral Eastern European states as a buffer zone. If you look at the historic maps, you'll see the Tzars did pretty much the same.
    Don't ever remember Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Roumania or Hungary being part of Tsarist Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifor Bach View Post
    Don't ever remember Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Roumania or Hungary being part of Tsarist Russia.
    Your point is ?

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