Reclaiming Al Andalusia Stone by Stone

[Prester Jim]

Which current majority-Muslim state offers the same degree of tolerance for people of other religions (or of no religion) that you claim Al Andalus did?

The only example I can think of is Turkey which is officially a secular state.

Malaysia is relatively tolerant, not to a European degree but, not bad.
However that is a special case as the other minorities are quite large and it is very distant from the very primitive Arab cultural mindset that contaminates with wahhabism and its other fanatical cults.

Islam is at least as dangerous as any other idiots mindbalm/religion i can think of.
It is in a rampant phase at the moment because Islam is threatened by its very backwardness.
Ironically its backwardness is a threat to more liberal cultures too.
ban all religions I say, or at least we should work to weaponise atheism so it spreads actual facts throughout the world to combat the ignorance of people like Paisley, Bakri, Bin Laden and Falwell.

[Prester Jim]

As far as golden ages in any culture in the past?
Cyrus in Persia was a golden age in the sense of the beginning of human rights, Greece for democracy, USA and France for equality etc.
But past golden ages were usually brutal in the extreme compared to todays western society.
We have a deeply flawed society but we are trying on the whole to improve and have been since the enlightenment.
the real problem with Islam is that it is backward looking in general.
they don't see the need to advance, only secular movements in islamic dominated areas.
it is the equivalent of rome trying to retrieve its glory with legions, phalanx, scorpions, slavery etc.
it aint no good to anyone except the nuts who want to turn back the clock.

[marmurr1916]

Better still - which majority non-Muslim state offers the same degree of tolerance for Muslims - on a par with the Al Andalus example. I can't think of any.

Take your pick: 2008 Report on International Religious Freedom

[Thac0man]

There was not continuous tolerance of christianity, it depended heavily on the ruler of the time and to attain any position in society was to become muslim.

True. In the years prior to the reconquest (and term reconquest hold a HUGE clue as to whoes land it was anyway) thr Caliphrate was divided and often in a state of civil war. No uniform claim of how tolerance was applied by differant simultaneous Muslim rulers can be made.

The inviting of hard line Islamic leaders from North Africa into Andulusia to make up for the internal divisions put pay to the famed tolerance of early Muslim rulers before the reconquest even got under way.

[Seán Mac Stiofán]

No, Trampas, it was the Spanish Christians who slaughtered thousands of Muslim men women and children in the reconquest and brought in the joys of the Inquisition.

You're tiresomely predictable, Lefty. Everything was much better under Muslim rule? Typical self-loathing liberal. The Inquisition was the inevitable result of centuries of Muslim rule. Spanish Catholicism was so intolerant of minorities because it was itself in beleaguered force under Moorish rule.

I would have considered liberals to be alarmed that some crazy person is posting a mad rant calling for the conquest of Spain and Portugal, bringing it into some transnational Islamic Superstate ('Caliphate'), where the human rights standards would be akin to Nazi Germany? Instead of opposing the real fascists (the author of the post, and those apparently in agreement) you attack those critical of the o.p.? Why?

It's clear that persons with strange, warped mentalities such as the original poster should be deported from this country or if nationals, deprived of the oxygen of publicity. We should take note that these people support the demographic invasion of Europe and consider what impact greater immigration would have.

[Antiphon]

You're tiresomely predictable, Lefty. Everything was much better under Muslim rule? Typical self-loathing liberal. The Inquisition was the inevitable result of centuries of Muslim rule. Spanish Catholicism was so intolerant of minorities because it was itself in beleaguered force under Moorish rule.

I would have considered liberals to be alarmed that some crazy person is posting a mad rant calling for the conquest of Spain and Portugal, bringing it into some transnational Islamic Superstate ('Caliphate'), where the human rights standards would be akin to Nazi Germany? Instead of opposing the real fascists (the author of the post, and those apparently in agreement) you attack those critical of the o.p.? Why?

It's clear that persons with strange, warped mentalities such as the original poster should be deported from this country or if nationals, deprived of the oxygen of publicity. We should take note that these people support the demographic invasion of Europe and consider what impact greater immigration would have.

You're a laugh, but we'll take your 'condition' into account when this 'Superstate Caliphate' manifests itself Beware....beware.....

[Trampas]

I'm in no way surprised if you don't appreciate the cultural and scientific achievements of Al Andalalus.

Now where have I said that, or even suggested it, or denied those achievements, arguably the last such advancement from an Islamic society. My point related to the treatment of non-Muslims in Spain. Your response was to introduce the Inquisition.

[cactusflower]

You're tiresomely predictable, Lefty. Everything was much better under Muslim rule? Typical self-loathing liberal. The Inquisition was the inevitable result of centuries of Muslim rule. Spanish Catholicism was so intolerant of minorities because it was itself in beleaguered force under Moorish rule.

I would have considered liberals to be alarmed that some crazy person is posting a mad rant calling for the conquest of Spain and Portugal, bringing it into some transnational Islamic Superstate ('Caliphate'), where the human rights standards would be akin to Nazi Germany? Instead of opposing the real fascists (the author of the post, and those apparently in agreement) you attack those critical of the o.p.? Why?

It's clear that persons with strange, warped mentalities such as the original poster should be deported from this country or if nationals, deprived of the oxygen of publicity. We should take note that these people support the demographic invasion of Europe and consider what impact greater immigration would have.

tbh I don't think that is what the OP was on about.

What the thread is missing is that Islam of Al Andalus is not comparable with Islam today. Back in the day, it was associated with cultural and technical progress and scientific advance and a level of tolerance of others that was higher than in Christian society.

We're now in an era in which our scientific knowledge gives real answers to the questions to which religion gives imaginary ones. The globalised economy brings people together and is held back by nationalisms and religion. Why then these bizarre eruptions of a new, destructive form of islam now ?

[cactusflower]

Now where have I said that, or even suggested it, or denied those achievements, arguably the last such advancement from an Islamic society. My point related to the treatment of non-Muslims in Spain. Your response was to introduce the Inquisition.

No. That was the Christian response.

[Trampas]

No. That was the Christian response.

The Christian response was to throw them out, an initiative with which I heartily and retrospectively concur.
Check the thread title. You could always start one about the Inquisition.