Should FG usurp An Bord Snip with its own Committee to report first?

[Question R24U]

...and made of recently unemployed experts, eg accountants, solicitors, architects etc for objectivity, tenacity and political effect (they surely must have the expertise within its membership).

Cutting spending in the Public Sector is not rocket science. You do the following:
1) Look at the expenditure which has to be voted on in each budget.
2) Review the benefit of quangoes v costs of removing them.
3) Highlight barmy work practices eg Dublin Bus getting rid of its newest and cheapest drivers to protect it eldest.
4) Look at C&AG reports.

Announce that this is to be done within a time frame of a month. Set them a target of €4bn for each of the next two years (this is what the Dept of Finance says it will do).

Fine Gael, of course won't be bound to adopt the policy document in full, but it would one hell of political leverage and would show leadership (and the lack of leadership of FF).

Do FG have the balls, integrity and capacity to do this?

Notes:
1) Credit for this suggestion goes to KMK (15 posts!)
http://www.politics.ie/economy/45644...ml#post1428013
2) We are beyond Party Politics at this stage, unless urgent action on a large scale is taken, the country is doomed for a generation as opposed to a decade which is what we now face.
3) When suggestions are sought on this site, we end up with tokenism (eg government jet, TD expenses, and Ministerial advices) or plain daft (slash the top public sector pay so they will all retire on what they have) or racist (hit ODA again and send the blacks back).

[Simbo67]

God, if only we had a government involving FF for the last 11 years all these reforms would surely have been implemented. Wait....

Tell you what, why dont your boys in FF do the job they are meant to.
The 2 billion cut (then 1.4, then 1.1) is nothing but tokenism. Why are you asking FG to do your job for you?

[Question R24U]

God, if only we had a government involving FF for the last 11 years all these reforms would surely have been implemented. Wait....

Tell you what, why dont your boys in FF do the job they are meant to.
The 2 billion cut (then 1.4, then 1.1) is nothing but tokenism. Why are you asking FG to do your job for you?

Duh, because FF is not capable of taking tough decision until it is too late and Fine Gael always claimed to be a party of leadership (isn't that what you want to read). They are not reforms but cuts. And if you think a cut of €1.1Bn is tokenism, I would love to hear your suggestions.

[Simbo67]

Maybe I was a little harsh on you but you get my point I hope.
As for cuts, well since the public sector increases since 2002/3 have all been based upon bubble construction, a lot of those jobs have to go. We simply can't afford to pay them. They are going to go anyway if the IMF come in.

Pretty much all the tax breaks are going to have to go.

College fees will have to return.
There will also have to be means testing on many of the benefits.
I think that there will also have to be a land tax (starting at least with investment properties). If there is to be a water tax it should be based upon pay as you use (also congestion charges).

[teachertime]

...and made of recently unemployed experts, eg accountants, solicitors, architects etc for objectivity, tenacity and political effect (they surely must have the expertise within its membership).

Cutting spending in the Public Sector is not rocket science. You do the following:
1) Look at the expenditure which has to be voted on in each budget.
2) Review the benefit of quangoes v costs of removing them.
3) Highlight barmy work practices eg Dublin Bus getting rid of its newest and cheapest drivers to protect it eldest.
4) Look at C&AG reports.

Announce that this is to be done within a time frame of a month. Set them a target of €4bn for each of the next two years (this is what the Dept of Finance says it will do).

Fine Gael, of course won't be bound to adopt the policy document in full, but it would one hell of political leverage and would show leadership (and the lack of leadership of FF).

Do FG have the balls, integrity and capacity to do this?

Notes:
1) Credit for this suggestion goes to KMK (15 posts!)
http://www.politics.ie/economy/45644...ml#post1428013
2) We are beyond Party Politics at this stage, unless urgent action on a large scale is taken, the country is doomed for a generation as opposed to a decade which is what we now face.
3) When suggestions are sought on this site, we end up with tokenism (eg government jet, TD expenses, and Ministerial advices) or plain daft (slash the top public sector pay so they will all retire on what they have) or racist (hit ODA again and send the blacks back).

Yeah go on and do that lads....sure that will probably bring the government down ....

[Question R24U]

Yeah go on and do that lads....sure that will probably bring the government down ....

or get them to do what needs to be done sooner rather than later...

FG needs to use FF's stint in government as it being the toxic right-wing party. It does the needful. But it needs to do it now, and so far it is taking its sweet time about it.

[anewbeginning]

...and made of recently unemployed experts, eg accountants, solicitors, architects etc for objectivity, tenacity and political effect (they surely must have the expertise within its membership).

Cutting spending in the Public Sector is not rocket science. You do the following:
1) Look at the expenditure which has to be voted on in each budget.
2) Review the benefit of quangoes v costs of removing them.
3) Highlight barmy work practices eg Dublin Bus getting rid of its newest and cheapest drivers to protect it eldest.
4) Look at C&AG reports.

Announce that this is to be done within a time frame of a month. Set them a target of €4bn for each of the next two years (this is what the Dept of Finance says it will do).

Fine Gael, of course won't be bound to adopt the policy document in full, but it would one hell of political leverage and would show leadership (and the lack of leadership of FF).

Do FG have the balls, integrity and capacity to do this?

Notes:
1) Credit for this suggestion goes to KMK (15 posts!)
http://www.politics.ie/economy/45644...ml#post1428013
2) We are beyond Party Politics at this stage, unless urgent action on a large scale is taken, the country is doomed for a generation as opposed to a decade which is what we now face.
3) When suggestions are sought on this site, we end up with tokenism (eg government jet, TD expenses, and Ministerial advices) or plain daft (slash the top public sector pay so they will all retire on what they have) or racist (hit ODA again and send the blacks back).

This is a joke right? Who are you trying to wind up?

You are either a FF supporter or not, which is it...stop trying to blame everything on everyone else in the same old FF manner. Take responsibility for the party you support and for the mess you created and deal with it yourself.

Now the party is over, FF expect everyone else to clean up the mess, just like the mess created by their 1977 budget, or the mess created by planning corruption or by the Beef export scandals.

FF keep reminding us they are the government, so let's see them governing and stop playing political games. Or is it they don't actually have a clue how to govern. I suspect the latter.

[cyberianpan]

...and made of recently unemployed experts, eg accountants, solicitors, architects etc for objectivity, tenacity and political effect (they surely must have the expertise within its membership).

Cutting spending in the Public Sector is not rocket science. You do the following:
1) Look at the expenditure which has to be voted on in each budget.
2) Review the benefit of quangoes v costs of removing them.
[COLOR=Red]3) Highlight barmy work practices eg Dublin Bus getting rid of its newest and cheapest drivers to protect it eldest.[/COLOR]
4) Look at C&AG reports.

Have you a rashers of what you speak about ?

Getting rid of new drivers saves redundancy money, perhaps even €50,000 per worker, see my previous post here.

I sincerely hope that FG don't follow your lead and come up with more barmy, half-baked ideas.

cYp

[greengoose]

Have you a rashers of what you speak about ?

[SIZE=3][COLOR=darkred]Getting rid of new drivers saves redundancy money, perhaps even €50,000 per worker, see my previous post[/COLOR][/SIZE] here.

I sincerely hope that FG don't follow your lead and come up with more barmy, half-baked ideas.

cYp

This is from the guy who thinks that small savings are a non runner in the FF created $hithole. Very selective bookeeping of the style of our much beloved former Taoiseach.

There is currently a colossal opportunity to snip the useless, toothless skiveing Oireachtas which is powerless to undo the harm they created.

[Question R24U]

Have you a rashers of what you speak about ?

Getting rid of new drivers saves redundancy money, perhaps even €50,000 per worker, see my previous post here.

I sincerely hope that FG don't follow your lead and come up with more barmy, half-baked ideas.

cYp

Ok, bad example. But can you deny that there are some work practices in the Public Services which would appear very odd to those who have come from the private sector? A committee of ex-professionals would be able to highlight them with greater clarity than I.