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About LinkBacksFG does want an election right now as we are ready, well financed, organised, and unlike FF, not talking out of our asses!Originally Posted by Keith-M
FG does want an election right now as we are ready, well financed, organised, and unlike FF, not talking out of our asses!
FG do want an election, they like the public are tired of seeing our country getting raped by gombeen morons.
Any answer, kiethM?
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While Cowen and Co were still in absolute denial on the real state of the economy FG produced a very comprehensive document last July which focused on real savings through genuine reform. The response from FF and their partners in Government at the time was to ridicule these proposals at every opportunity, and in what it would seem was nothing more than a public relation excerise they then tinkered around with a ‘package of savings’ in public spending which the dogs in the street knew were completely inadequate at the time. When Cowen eventually decided to put away the golf clubs and digestives after his long summer break, the economic situation had worsened considerably, and in order to give the impression they had a handle on it they announced, to great fan fare, they would be bringing forward the budget. We are all aware of the disaster that turned out to be with three u-turns so far and possibly more pending so so much for savings.
For all their talk of patriotism, the budget only served to highlight their absolute inability to put the country before their beloved FF. If FF genuinely want cross party support in the National interest, they should have the courage to accept and acknowledge cross party proposals in the National interest
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Kathy - the guy can't even sing and the crowd love it. Sheeple will swallow anything!
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One of my favourite songs.
I agree that what Fine Gael needs to do is to work towards getting 72-74 seats and hope Sinn Fein can pull in 10 or so. Then perhaps they can use the 1 or two Greens who will left to govern.
Kenny has to jettison Labour in the national interest and he needs to say as much. Their ties to the unions will create 1982-87 all over again.
What FG need is to be in the 70's, have Fianna Fail in the high 40's to low 50's, Labour under 20 and to govern with fresh parties. While SF are left win, they are not tied to unions and they share FG's belief that the vulnerable and the poor have to be protected first.
Obviously, they would have to be kept away from cabinet posts like Defence, Justice and Foreign Affairs but a Shinner could do a very good job in Social Welfare or the Environment or even Health.
I'm not so sure. I think you underestimate the (potential) ability of Labour to bring the unions "onside" for cuts that are necessary in the nations interest.
There is a big difference between accepting pay cuts/freezes and redundencies to help secure the economy in the nation's interest, and feeling they're being forced on you because your opponent's wanted to help their freinds, i.e. the bankers and builders (as an aside, seemingly the only groups that aren't protesting the budget!)
I do think Labour (as well as FG) recognise the imensity of what needs to be done. I hope they'll learn how it needs to be done, too. You can see what a haims FF made of things what with seeming to pluck cutbacks out of the air without any foreplanning.
Any alternative government need to reckon whether it's better to have the people with them or against them in the difficult tasks that need to undertaken in sorting out the mess, and they need to think long and hard about the best way to achieve that.
Having a party in power favourable to many of those affected by the economic realities will be an asset, not a liability in that case.
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Well how come they couldn't do do it in the 80's then? Have they had some sort of Pauline conversion since?
So, let me just pick through your logic here. You're saying Labour wouldn't agree to the necessary tough decisions, presumably because it would cost them electoral support. And that they'd do that in the full knowledge that such a failure would result in the IMF coming in.
And the electoral implications for Labour of the IMF coming in would be what, exactly?
Rubbish. There'll be no Tallaght Strategy, and no FF-FG coalition, for the following reasons.Whilst Fine Gael have proven in the past that they will do what it takes to prevent this unprecedented state of affairs coming to pass, history has shown that the only practicable way to do it is with the FFailures at the helm, and Fine Gael sitting in Tallaght.
How do we get to a situation whereby Joe & Josephine Public elect a Government that can comprise grown ups as the main Party, and grown ups as the secondary Party, in a solid, progressive, Coalition?
1) Its FF's mess, they can take the blame, and clean it up.
2) Alternatively, if there's an election, FG will govern if given the mandate to do so, and will do the cleaning up, but WILL NOT then be sharing the blame.
3) FG would get no credit for a Tallaght Strategy from the electorate.
4) An FF-FG coalition would lead to mass resignations from the membership, and from a substantial minority of the Parliamentary Party.
Yes. Read Labour policy documents now, and compare them to Labour policy documents from the 1980s. Also, if you look at documents like the 2007 joint FG/Labour document on public sector reform, its almost word-for-word the initial FG policy document.
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