Let us say we had a snap election tomorrow, and Labour gained 5 seats from FG, and 5 seats from FF.
Kenny and Gilmore did a deal, and formed a Govt with each respectively as Taoiseach and Tainiste, with whomever else, with a cabinet roughly comprised of what each party was entitled to.
Would Kenny still be a failed leader?
And when in this fairytale do you wake up Meri?
But Fine Gael would be in opposition so the point is mute.Originally Posted by meriwether
The government has 89 votes supporting it. The loss of 5 would still leave it in a clear majority.
Liquidate labour, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.
Yes DR, of course.But Fine Gael would be in opposition so the point is mute.
The government has 89 votes supporting it. The loss of 5 would still leave it in a clear majority.
To answer the question, of course Enda would be a failed leader, he'd just lost 5 seats (I'm presuming that no other seats are lost or gained), would he even be nominated for taoiseach by FG? Surely the likes of Deasy would get the rebellion up and running and given their poor electoral showing it'd quickly gain momentum.
Enda seems like a decent man, but he also seems pretty ineffective, imo he had a poor election last year (although I still don't accept that he was annihilated in the debate, where Ahern (true to form of course) lied and blustered throughout (command of facts and numbers, my arse)). He was saved because FG won back some seats, but was that really the success that it was made out to be at the time?
Remove 5, take away 6 Greens who will go with the side that is intriniscally more honest and...change of goverment. But a more likely scenario is FG gain about 12 in next election, labour gain 2, PDs gone, FF gone, GP static, FF major losses due to unlikeable ignoramous leading them...But Fine Gael would be in opposition so the point is mute.
The government has 89 votes supporting it. The loss of 5 would still leave it in a clear majority.
No one ever said anything about removing the Greens who seem happy where they are.Remove 5, take away 6 Greens who will go with the side that is intriniscally more honest and...change of goverment. But a more likely scenario is FG gain about 12 in next election, labour gain 2, PDs gone, FF gone, GP static, FF major losses due to unlikeable ignoramous leading them...But Fine Gael would be in opposition so the point is mute.
The government has 89 votes supporting it. The loss of 5 would still leave it in a clear majority.
Even nder you laughable senario FG are not gaurenteed govt. Gilmore was elected to keep LP unaligned, and I'd wager if you asked many Labour voters, they would have more in common with the average FFer than the average Blueshirt.
Liquidate labour, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.
Have you not seen the Gilmore-Cowen love-in in recent weeks? Kenny will not be Taoiseach. The standard thinking about Ahern and Mahon has been that voters didn't care, that it made no difference for FG. I would strongly argue the opposite. Mahon helped Kenny reach a high water-mark, and Ahern was an asset to them at the election. Ahern is gone now, and FG will not recover that position while Kenny is in charge. Someone like Bruton is needed, I was very impressed by his nomination for Kenny in the Dail last week.
Yes DR, of course.But Fine Gael would be in opposition so the point is mute.
The government has 89 votes supporting it. The loss of 5 would still leave it in a clear majority.
To answer the question, of course Enda would be a failed leader, he'd just lost 5 seats (I'm presuming that no other seats are lost or gained), would he even be nominated for taoiseach by FG? Surely the likes of Deasy would get the rebellion up and running and given their poor electoral showing it'd quickly gain momentum.
Enda seems like a decent man, but he also seems pretty ineffective, imo he had a poor election last year (although I still don't accept that he was annihilated in the debate, where Ahern (true to form of course) lied and blustered throughout (command of facts and numbers, my arse)). He was saved because FG won back some seats, but was that really the success that it was made out to be at the time?
In non-comparative terms, Kenny was only beaten in terms of seat increases by SF in 1918 and Garret FitzGerald in 1981.
Some poor election!
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Remove 5, take away 6 Greens who will go with the side that is intriniscally more honest and...change of goverment. But a more likely scenario is FG gain about 12 in next election, labour gain 2, PDs gone, FF gone, GP static, FF major losses due to unlikeable ignoramous leading them...But Fine Gael would be in opposition so the point is mute.
The government has 89 votes supporting it. The loss of 5 would still leave it in a clear majority.
“Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen” - Albert Einstein
Is this a John Bruton/rainbow comparason?
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