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    ShoutingIsLeadership ShoutingIsLeadership is offline
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    FG rewards and encourages fraud...if you're a farmer

    Leo Varadkar and his supporters have taken a great interest in alleged social welfare fraud, in recent weeks.

    However, in December 2015, FG and the government paid a fine of €67.5 million euros to the EU. The fine was the result of farmers claiming EU payments for ineligible land.

    Was the money sought from the crooked farmers? Were they punished? Were they named and shamed?

    No, FG paid the fine out of public money.

    FG doesn't care about fraud, it cares about its type of people, and the further division of society.


    Ireland to be fined



    Officials clash over
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Leo Varadkar and his supporters have taken a great interest in alleged social welfare fraud, in recent weeks.

    However, in December 2015, FG and the government paid a fine of €67.5 million euros to the EU. The fine was the result of farmers claiming EU payments for ineligible land.

    Was the money sought from the crooked farmers? Were they punished? Were they named and shamed?

    No, FG paid the fine out of public money.

    FG doesn't care about fraud, it cares about its type of people, and the further division of society.


    Ireland to be fined



    Officials clash over
    I don't want to rush to judgement....are individual farmers deliberately falsifying claims...?
    Or is there a more complex explanation....? It doesn't look good and would appear to be yet another example of crime covered up by the rich for the rich......somebody can put me right.....can they...?
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    Pennies. Small money, as FG bailouts extend.

    It would not even fit in a corner of Middle Abbey Street.

    It would not even be visible in SiteSerf.

    Anyway this is going to end.

    "Red Cent" in a blueshirt is about to become Merkel's puppet ruler of Westland Provinz.
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    Hello,

    I am green with envy. Almost as green as a FAI jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticketyboo View Post
    I don't want to rush to judgement....are individual farmers deliberately falsifying claims...?
    Or is there a more complex explanation....? It doesn't look good and would appear to be yet another example of crime covered up by the rich for the rich......somebody can put me right.....can they...?

    "Speaking in December, after the supplementary estimate was voted through, Agriculture Minister Simon Coveney said: "I expected - as did a lot of farmers - that they would have to pay for a significant portion of the disallowance."

    Reading between the lines, it looks as though Simon and his DoA officials put up a case for a supplementary vote to the Dept of Public Exp. on late 2015, fully expecting that it would be refused, but curiously, it got through. I wonder whether the fact that a general election was coming up a few months later have influenced the four senior politicians who were overseeing public expenditure? Surely not!

    I must dig up the Dáil discussions (if any) that led to this being voted through. Back later.
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    Probably should be titled " if you're a rich farmer " as in our wee gombeen state it's the ordinary person who always is short changed and the millionaire friends get off with it enriching themselves yet again.
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    Socialism for the Rich and Capitalism for the Poor it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post

    I must dig up the Dáil discussions (if any) that led to this being voted through. Back later.
    OK so the Supplementary Estimate was sent to the Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine, which debated it on 8 December 2015.

    During the debate, Deputies Penrose (Labour) O'Cuiv (Me Féin) and Ferris (IRA) welcomed the fact that the farmers wouldn't have to repay the monies that they had fraudulently claimed.

    DEBATE

    The Committee then sent back the agreed supplementary estimate to the Dáil which agreed it (and another 13 supplementary estimates) with minimal discussion.

    In summary then - not a single party in the Dáil wanted the fraudulent farmers to be pursued for these payments - they all preferred to let the Irish taxpayers foot the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PO'Neill View Post
    Probably should be titled " if you're a rich farmer " as in our wee gombeen state it's the ordinary person who always is short changed and the millionaire friends get off with it enriching themselves yet again.
    With the uncritical support of Scum Féin Deputies Ferris and McDonald!

    You really are a total cretin, aren't you, Pat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticketyboo View Post
    I don't want to rush to judgement....are individual farmers deliberately falsifying claims...?
    Or is there a more complex explanation....? It doesn't look good and would appear to be yet another example of crime covered up by the rich for the rich......somebody can put me right.....can they...?
    You don't want to rush to judgment and yet you classify all farmers as rich?
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