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    Quote Originally Posted by droghedasouth View Post
    +1
    I'll give that +1 as well.
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    If, you're an FF'er, trying to disrupt the opposition then the answer has to be yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    It was, but what I took from that interview, more then anything else was that Bruton was poor. Mumbling, failing to answer questions or making any real point. It was a very aggressive interview, but still, Kenny was far better.
    Bruton is always poor and mumbling but he doesn't have Kenny's foot seeking missile. By his standards Kenny had a good interview today. Yes it was plodding and faintly embarrassing but at least there was no Baby moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    I think Richard Bruton is great and I think he is a fantastic deputy leader and spokesperson for Finance and would make a great Minister for Finance and if Kenny does leave soon, I think Bruton should replace him. But I don't think he would make a better leader then Kenny.
    Bruton mightn't turn many people on but he'd turn fewer voters off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    And for me that is the real question, it's not should Enda go, it is who is the best man to lead Fine Gael and right now despite all that has happened, I still believe that is Enda Kenny. His performances today have strengthened that belief.
    The best man to lead FG is a woman, Mairead McGuinness. They need to move Heaven and Earth to get her elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Bruton is always poor and mumbling but he doesn't have Kenny's foot seeking missile. By his standards Kenny had a good interview today. Yes it was plodding and faintly embarrassing but at least there was no Baby moment.



    Bruton mightn't turn many people on but he'd turn fewer voters off.



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    The best man to lead FG is Eamonn Gilmore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Bruton is always poor and mumbling but he doesn't have Kenny's foot seeking missile. By his standards Kenny had a good interview today. Yes it was plodding and faintly embarrassing but at least there was no Baby moment.



    Bruton mightn't turn many people on but he'd turn fewer voters off.



    The best man to lead FG is a woman, Mairead McGuinness. They need to move Heaven and Earth to get her elected.
    I think Bruton could turn off rural voters. It's very easy to play him as being an intellectual Dubliner (even though he's not actually from Dublin) who doesn't relate to normal people and FF would do that and that would play especially strongly in the country.

    One of the great strengths of the Kenny/Bruton team is they are very different, relate to different people, come from different backgrounds and have different strengths and as always I think greater emphasis should be made on building up the notion of a team behind Enda, although to be fair Bruton does have a massive profile.

    I think you could be right on McGuinness, although I'd like to see how she'd perform in the Dail and as a Minister/Spokesperson. It's just a great pity she isn't in the Dail. She’s also a good example of where bringing in a media celebrity works, although she didn’t have as high a profile as Lee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Bruton is always poor and mumbling but he doesn't have Kenny's foot seeking missile. By his standards Kenny had a good interview today. Yes it was plodding and faintly embarrassing but at least there was no Baby moment.



    Bruton mightn't turn many people on but he'd turn fewer voters off.



    The best man to lead FG is a woman, Mairead McGuinness. They need to move Heaven and Earth to get her elected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    I think Bruton could turn off rural voters. It's very easy to play him as being an intellectual Dubliner (even though he's not actually from Dublin) who doesn't relate to normal people and FF would do that and that would play especially strongly in the country.
    Ahern is a Dub (though not perhaps an intellectual) and it did him no harm in the country. Bruton wouldn't lose much FG support i the country but he would gain support for them in Dublin where Kenny is seen as some sort of Uber Culchie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    One of the great strengths of the Kenny/Bruton team is they are very different, relate to different people, come from different backgrounds and have different strengths and as always I think greater emphasis should be made on building up the notion of a team behind Enda, although to be fair Bruton does have a massive profile.

    I think you could be right on McGuinness, although I'd like to see how she'd perform in the Dail and as a Minister/Spokesperson. It's just a great pity she isn't in the Dail. She’s also a good example of where bringing in a media celebrity works, although she didn’t have as high a profile as Lee.
    Nor as great a messiah complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Ahern is a Dub (though not perhaps an intellectual) and it did him no harm in the country. Bruton wouldn't lose much FG support i the country but he would gain support for them in Dublin where Kenny is seen as some sort of Uber Culchie.
    But Ahern was seen to have the common touch and related to the common man who enjoyed his pint and all that ********************e and he spent years building up that nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    But Ahern was seen to have the common touch and related to the common man who enjoyed his pint and all that ********************e. I don't think (or at least I question) that Bruton does.
    Richard Bruton owns a greyhound.
    That is a good sign that he has the common touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    But Ahern was seen to have the common touch and related to the common man who enjoyed his pint and all that ********************e and he spent years building up that nonsense.
    Winning 3 GEs along the way. You can have ethics, ideology and policy coming out of your arse but if you can't win an election it's worthless.

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