Kenny gone as leader if Bruton withdraws his support: Times

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Lee said he wanted to make economic policy - however Bruton & Varadkar didn't welcome him at all. Kenny needed to create space for him. The committee he was offered would have only had "partial input" into economic policy

So do you think Lee should have had total control over FG economic policy? Even Bruton doesn't have that, so why should Lee?

Being offered 1 frontbench position amongst c 20... after 9 months in the wilderness isn't something sufficient once trust was gone.

Why, how many frontbench positions do you think he should have had?

Speaking as an Independent isn't a serious offering: Independents get little speaking time and expecting a "One man island" on economic policy isn't sensible

But if his problem was that he wasn't being allowed speak, then being an independent would have changed that. And as has been pointed out, he'd have had a free pass onto TV and radio due to his high profile.

[meriwether]

My own concerns about Lee began during the election campagin on programs like VB's pre-election candidate debates.

Lee was contemptuous of everyone else on the panel. He had no interest in listening to what anyone else had to say, to him everyone else was an idiot and he wasn't going to listen.

Clearly the guy was not marked out for politics. Good politicians listen, take on board what others say, no matter how stupid and have an endless supply of patience.

Lee had none of these traits.

I have no problem with the dismissal of stupidheads.

I envisaged that Lee would come into FG and produce policy documents that were new and innovative, and force his agenda on FG.
Declan Costelloe did the same with 'just society' in the 1960's.

Fair enough, if FG then dismissed and ignored him, he's in the wrong party.

But he didn't.

He did nothing, then claims his nothingness was ignored.

[hiding behind a poster]

Bruton is there 30 years and has made no impact, where did his good bank go

Er, it was voted down in the Dail by the government. Or do you think that in order to be any good, an Opposition spokesman has to be able to create new TDs to back his proposals?

what did he achieve,he minded his own seat like the rest of them ,Good luck to Lee,

Opposing benchmarking wasn't "minding his seat" - especially given the number of public servants in his constituency. Neither was going against the media cheerleading of NAMA - and now we see that the IMF back his position.

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Do you remember what he said about benchmarking or is your memory purely selective.

When the entire public sector, RTE etc, and establishment were rubbing their hands at the prospect of benchmarking, eg money for zero productivity increases, Bruton went against the grain and came out categorically saying it was a very bad idea.

I don't remember anyone else saying that. Of course you glossed over that bit, something which has to date cost us billions, and which was a bribe by FF to the public sector constituents.

Mr kenny was the very first to lead on benchmarking, Bruton was hardly going to say somethig different,

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Mr kenny was the very first to lead on benchmarking, Bruton was hardly going to say something different,

Assuming you are being truthful, if even Enda Kenny could see that benchmarking was shjte, why the hell did ye morons continue with it?

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[QUOTE=droghedasouth;2446583]Assuming you are being truthful, if even Enda Kenny could see that benchmarking was shjte, why the hell did ye morons continue with it?[/QUO


I dont know who you mean by, Ye morons,. i had nothing to do with it,