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Yes, when there was a vacancy. The previous leader had resigned - remember that?
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
You have a point there. The media coverage is also getting interesting - today, tonight and in tomorrow's papers (as seen on Vinnie tonight) the stories seem to be more and more about Lee's ego.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
[QUOTE=Dr Pat;2442679]Are you taking the p.ss or just plainly naive? Coveney was the dolt gullible enough to support marathon asylum seeker Pamela Scamela in her attempt to stay here, even when evidence of the fraudulent documentation submitted to the court came to light and he was also the agent from FG head office who oversaw the shafting of Colm Burke in Cork. Not leadership material, not by a long shot.[/Q
Just plainly naive
PS. Maybe FG needs someone is NOT afraid to shaft an opponent (especially as OJF famously said) from the 'real enemy'.
Either way, as Dougal or Simon, he has the political pedigree!
Where the heck were you Monday and Tuesday? Were all FG supporters waiting for a hymn sheet to arrive from HQ?
If this is the speed of response to "crises" by FG, it shows why they haven't held Office for years.
The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. There are lies, damn lies and Fine Gael confusions. "I don't understand." Alan "it's only 79 punts" Shatter
No, it's time for people to realise that Enda played the game he was expected to play no worse than anyone else would have. The problem is the SYSTEM. Enda is only a personification of the system. He is irrelevant in the grander scheme of things.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another." - Kant.
George Lee wasn't some graduate out of college... he was 46 years old when elected. His professional background was:You have a point there. The media coverage is also getting interesting - today, tonight and in tomorrow's papers (as seen on Vinnie tonight) the stories seem to be more and more about Lee's ego.
- MSc in Economics from the London School of Economics where his specialist area was labour economics and unemployment.
- Worked in the CSO
- Worked as economist in the Central Bank
- Worked as economist in Riada Stockbrokers & FTI
- Distinguished journalist in RTE
His public policy credentials were clear:
- Proven polished media commentator
- Track record of being right with his predictions
- Solid trust with the public
- A clear sense of outrage at impropriety and a strong sense of public duty
In his job as RTE editor many people regarded him as the Opposition. Lee clearly campaigned on a national mandate of policy formulation. Fine Gael got a 6% poll bounce.
Many of us had high hopes back then:
I had high hopes when Lee declared for FG:
Fine Gael owed it to the country to use him better... they should have been falling over themselves trying to figure out how to use him... instead they muzzled him.
People make out he should have waited longer than 9 months on the sidelines ? George should have hit the ground running, been given major responsibilities commensurate with his experience and proven ability ... instead he was made toe the part line, a sad ethos of mediocrity, parochialism and nepotism. He was given just one part policy committee to chair, and it was made clear that committee would only have partial influence.
Fine Gael didn't even know what to do with him.
cYp
"Yawn , am I alive yet ?"
All true. And all enough to hang Kenny twice over. But Lee still looks like a quitter.
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This row is becoming ridiculous and unseemly. You have Brian Hayes b**ching about George Lee, saying Lee was disappointed with the drop in salary when he left RTE to join FG. Leo Varadkar is on Newstalk now b**ching about Lee as well.
This whole episode proves one thing - despite the fact that FF have been in power for too long and we need a change for the sake of democracy - FG are not the answer. They (FG) have shown themselves incapable of organising themselves and are clearly unfit to lead the government of this country. Can Labour step up to the plate here and be the biggest party in the next govt.?`
Last edited by goatstoe; 10th February 2010 at 01:02 PM. Reason: off topic
Tend to agree with this. Lots of damage done to FG, Enda may be putting a brave face and trying to make George look bad but I think people will see through this and realise that when its comes down to it FG have no interest in changing the current way of doing business. Jobs for the boys for life. FUP the country, the party comes first.
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!!
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