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About LinkBacksSorry, but can you post examples of any posters here assuming that anyone's gonna have a great election?Originally Posted by staunch ff
Sorry, but can you post examples of any posters here assuming that anyone's gonna have a great election?
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
George is not on the Late Late which is a surprise
I'm sorry. I'm not your party's worst enemy and I like Enda, but I'm finding your repetitive bleating of the above a little trying.
The gain of 20 seats by Fine Gael was indeed an achievement. But the fact is that Fine Gael and Labour both lost the election because Fianna Fail won it. I remember burying my head in my hands at the time. The negotiations with the Greens were a time of despair and disbelief.
I do remember that Pat Rabbitte fell on his sword. Enda didn't. Rabbitte, having utterly failed to capitalise on Fianna Fail's difficulties, had more reason to go than Enda, but that is not saying very much. It is to Rabbitte's credit that he stepped down without fuss.
To my mind, the most successful aspect of the whole 2007 campaign for Fianna Fail was their capacity to pressure the most important media to provide room for 'their side of the story' by cleverly campaigning for 'balance' in coverage, mirrored by Fine Gael and Labour's seemingly total inability to counter this nonsense.
In the aftermath, I don't remember there being much pressure in the media or elsewhere for Enda to go, indeed I remember being surprised that there was no such pressure, especially considering the wind of political events favouring the opposition. Leaders who lose elections also lose leadership in the normal course of events. Enda didn't.
In hindsight, he should have.
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Again, I have to pick up the single point you make near the end. I'm not interested in rehashing the last election, but you said it yourself "especially considering the wind of political events favouring the Opposition". If it was so, then why did FG gain twenty seats while the other Opposition parties gained none, or LOST seats? And how does that tally with the constant lazy assertion on this site that the reason FF weren't booted out in 2007 was because people were unconvinced by FG?
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
Is it possible that Tubridy, having singed his prehensile eyebrows a couple of times fighting political dragons in the last few weeks, has been told by his ma to keep away from the rough and tumble for a few weeks?
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You're repeating yourself. Is Fine Gael a natural senior government party or not?
If it is one, then since it is not now the senior party in government, it lost the last general election.
Party leaders who lose elections lose their jobs.
Fianna Fail are now in government because the opposition parties (especially Labour, but including Fine Gael) failed to land a few kicks at their heads torsos when they were down. Fianna Fail have never been found wanting on the many occasions the roles were reversed. I'd say they couldn't believe their luck (in fact, Pat Leahy's book describes their surprise and delight in vivid detail).
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Given that Fine Gael have risen four points in the latest available poll gathered after his departure from politics it looks like George's media whinge-fest on Monday backfired on him perhaps DeBourca's strategy of a devestating resignation letter followed by a dignified silence might have been more effective
Which Party/s lost those two seats?
The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. There are lies, damn lies and Fine Gael confusions. "I don't understand." Alan "it's only 79 punts" Shatter
Labour lost one.
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